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Zahirre
30-01-2011, 09:42 PM
So after yesterday, I am now seriously considering no longer buying Burgess pellets.
Today, at the range I found SS... first time I've ever seen it tbh. Also found SS for ratties and gerbils so am happy.
I have become more and more and more angry as last night and today progressed about the small animal show yesterday, to the point where I am almost in tears when it crosses my mind. I keep getting pictures in my head of the little Nethies shaking and panicking. :censored:
I'm so angry that my heart is pounding and I feel ill.
I would scream if I could.
I'm so angry and annoyed that so many people (including those claiming to be rabbit-lovers and the RWA) think that this kind of show is ok, even though it is encouraging the breeding of buns and other small furries.
So yerp, SS, here we come!

Grrrrrrr!!!! :evil:

Jack's-Jane
30-01-2011, 09:43 PM
I am avoiding Burgess now too.

antigone
30-01-2011, 09:44 PM
I haven't bought Burgess pellets for a while. My bunnies are much happier on Science Selective. :wave:

Zahirre
30-01-2011, 09:45 PM
I am avoiding Burgess now too.

Yerp, no more forage for my buns I'm afraid... Food change over commences tomorrow! It also helps that The Range has SS on offer atm :D

vee-jay
30-01-2011, 09:46 PM
So after yesterday, I am now seriously considering no longer buying Burgess pellets.
Today, at the range I found SS... first time I've ever seen it tbh. Also found SS for ratties and gerbils so am happy.
I have become more and more and more angry as last night and today progressed about the small animal show yesterday, to the point where I am almost in tears when it crosses my mind. I keep getting pictures in my head of the little Nethies shaking and panicking. :censored:
I'm so angry that my heart is pounding and I feel ill.
I would scream if I could.
I'm so angry and annoyed that so many people (including those claiming to be rabbit-lovers and the RWA) think that this kind of show is ok, even though it is encouraging the breeding of buns and other small furries.
So yerp, SS, here we come!

Grrrrrrr!!!! :evil:

just to say, Supreme who do SS sponser the London rabbit show

Santa
30-01-2011, 09:46 PM
Sadly though they're all at it - supreme sponsor the London show :(

http://www.thelondon.co.uk/

Having said that, personally I would swap to SS anyway as I think it's a much better food than burgess in any case!

DemiS
30-01-2011, 09:46 PM
Are you aware that there are only two 5* championship shows in the country, one is owned by burgess, the other by science selective. They have the jumping at london, they didn't have an auction when I went but lots of rabbits for sale, a discovery area, and the same big hall full of rabbits and judges handling them in the same way. The London is no better than the 'Burgess Premier' show, and Science selective is just as involved with the london show as burgess is with their show

Zahirre
30-01-2011, 09:47 PM
Ahhhh bism.... I'm stuffed then :/
Why can't food companies just do the right thing!!!!!!!!! For goodness sake...
Maybe we'll have to stick to Burgess then :/

happysaz133
30-01-2011, 09:50 PM
Mine don't like either anyway. But the guineas do like the Burgess Hay.

I think Burgess do a lot of good though, I haven't been to one of these shows, but think of what good they do in trying to promote the right kind of diet for rabbits. And they do donate to rescues when in crisis etc.

DemiS
30-01-2011, 09:50 PM
Ahhhh bism.... I'm stuffed then :/
Why can't food companies just do the right thing!!!!!!!!! For goodness sake...
Maybe we'll have to stick to Burgess then :/

I don't think there's a single rabbit food brand that hasn't been involved with shows at some point

antigone
30-01-2011, 09:51 PM
Ahhhh bism.... I'm stuffed then :/
Why can't food companies just do the right thing!!!!!!!!! For goodness sake...
Maybe we'll have to stick to Burgess then :/

You know the answer: profit. :(
I'm thinking of changing to Oxbow.

helgalush
30-01-2011, 09:52 PM
I use Allen & Page - there's probably something non-ethical about them but they are less 'commercial' I guess than the others as they are harder to get hold of.

shadow05
30-01-2011, 09:53 PM
So after yesterday, I am now seriously considering no longer buying Burgess pellets.
Today, at the range I found SS... first time I've ever seen it tbh. Also found SS for ratties and gerbils so am happy.
I have become more and more and more angry as last night and today progressed about the small animal show yesterday, to the point where I am almost in tears when it crosses my mind. I keep getting pictures in my head of the little Nethies shaking and panicking. :censored:
I'm so angry that my heart is pounding and I feel ill.
I would scream if I could.
I'm so angry and annoyed that so many people (including those claiming to be rabbit-lovers and the RWA) think that this kind of show is ok, even though it is encouraging the breeding of buns and other small furries.
So yerp, SS, here we come!

Grrrrrrr!!!! :evil:

unfortunately i have no choice scooter been on burgress since quite a little baby. and its the only thing i can get in bulk and doesnt cost me much. they dont sell SS anywhere here.

DemiS
30-01-2011, 09:56 PM
I've seen oxbow and allen and paige at the larger shows. Of course they're not on the scale of burgess and supreme but I don't think you will find a food that hasn't been associated with exhibition and breeding

Santa
30-01-2011, 09:57 PM
but think of what good they do in trying to promote the right kind of diet for rabbits.

But I don't think they do :oops: I don't really rate the 'excel feeding plan', it basically ignores the general concept of hay and tells you to feed 'burgess excel fresh forage/herbage' with the pellets, treats and veg, as a complete diet. But forage is dried grass, not hay, so the nutrition content is different and not high enough fibre/too high protein IMO. Every rabbit I have ever had or fostered on burgess has suffered from excess caecatrophs and every one has ceased to have the problem when I have swapped them off it.

I'm really not a fan :oops:

poppymoon
30-01-2011, 10:02 PM
not sure of the story about burgess i'm afraid but i don't think i've ever bought anything burgess:?

ss was what eric was on when i had him and is widely available by me so now my guinea pigs and hammies are on ss too.

i was given a bag of burgess food as the diet recommended at my vets. i always take my own picnic when my 2 go in though.

Kittykat23uk
30-01-2011, 10:11 PM
But I don't think they do :oops: I don't really rate the 'excel feeding plan', it basically ignores the general concept of hay and tells you to feed 'burgess excel fresh forage/herbage' with the pellets, treats and veg, as a complete diet. But forage is dried grass, not hay, so the nutrition content is different and not high enough fibre/too high protein IMO. Every rabbit I have ever had or fostered on burgess has suffered from excess caecatrophs and every one has ceased to have the problem when I have swapped them off it.

I'm really not a fan :oops:

Am I missing something? According to the ingredients Excel Forage is made of timothy hay, dried dandelions and marigold. And more generally Hay is just dried grasses.

Nicola1
30-01-2011, 10:14 PM
But I don't think they do :oops: I don't really rate the 'excel feeding plan', it basically ignores the general concept of hay and tells you to feed 'burgess excel fresh forage/herbage' with the pellets, treats and veg, as a complete diet. But forage is dried grass, not hay, so the nutrition content is different and not high enough fibre/too high protein IMO. Every rabbit I have ever had or fostered on burgess has suffered from excess caecatrophs and every one has ceased to have the problem when I have swapped them off it.

I'm really not a fan :oops:

Kittykat23 - there are two types of Burgess forage, the timothy hay, marigold and dandelion one and the dried grass one :) not sure what the dried grass one is called.

I don't really like Burgess either Santa, I've also had problems with excess caecotrophs on Burgess and people have posted links on here to reports about a meat content in the pellets :shock: which can't be good for anybun!

helgalush
30-01-2011, 10:15 PM
I've seen oxbow and allen and paige at the larger shows. Of course they're not on the scale of burgess and supreme but I don't think you will find a food that hasn't been associated with exhibition and breeding

Yes I am sure you are right.

Kittykat23uk
30-01-2011, 10:17 PM
I don't like their pellets, Mine are on Allen and Page. But mine like their nature sticks.

Jaysmonkey
30-01-2011, 10:23 PM
My beasties are on Oxbow Bunny Basics T; they adore it and it's good for the teeth. :)

Colyflower
31-01-2011, 11:40 AM
I've been using Burgess only as I was recommended to use them, I only heard of Science Selective from this forum and it seems most people prefer these to Burgess, also I'm hoping to adopt a bunny who is eating SS so I've ordered a small bag of it so I can wean my rabbit onto them.

Blackberry & Co
31-01-2011, 11:50 AM
So after yesterday, I am now seriously considering no longer buying Burgess pellets.
Today, at the range I found SS... first time I've ever seen it tbh. Also found SS for ratties and gerbils so am happy.
I have become more and more and more angry as last night and today progressed about the small animal show yesterday, to the point where I am almost in tears when it crosses my mind. I keep getting pictures in my head of the little Nethies shaking and panicking. :censored:
I'm so angry that my heart is pounding and I feel ill.
I would scream if I could.
I'm so angry and annoyed that so many people (including those claiming to be rabbit-lovers and the RWA) think that this kind of show is ok, even though it is encouraging the breeding of buns and other small furries.
So yerp, SS, here we come!

Grrrrrrr!!!! :evil:

It's all very well ranting and raving on here, but are you going to actually do anything constructive about your concerns?

So many people complain about companies, but do they bother writing to the companies with their complaints? I know they might ignore you, but if enough people voiced their opinions directly to the companies then they might start to take notice. It happened with Argos and their ridiculously small hutches.

Instead of just complaining on here why not get people together who agree with you and all agree to write to Burgess and ask them to listen to your concerns? If enough people threatened to boycott their products it might make them listen.

Be pro-active rather than re-active....

Littlemeg37
31-01-2011, 11:51 AM
I use Burgess for all my buns and have done in the past for previous rabbits and none of them have ever had problems with excess caecatrophs. I have been trying to change over to Oxbow so at the mo they are on a 50/50 mix but they still eat all the Burgess excel first and leave the oxbow. Eventually they do eat them when no more excel are forthcoming.

Zahirre
31-01-2011, 11:56 AM
It's all very well ranting and raving on here, but are you going to actually do anything constructive about your concerns?

So many people complain about companies, but do they bother writing to the companies with their complaints? I know they might ignore you, but if enough people voiced their opinions directly to the companies then they might start to take notice. It happened with Argos and their ridiculously small hutches.

Instead of just complaining on here why not get people together who agree with you and all agree to write to Burgess and ask them to listen to your concerns? If enough people threatened to boycott their products it might make them listen.

Be pro-active rather than re-active....

I do plan on writing to Burgess about the animal show and the welfare of the buns very soon. Maybe I have ranted a bit on here but it was a hard w/e for me. I am very proactive about a lot of issues but I don't voice every thing I do.
I do feel a little bit taken aback by your message... Maybe I'm reading the tone wrong. I'm sorry if it seems I'm simply being reactive but I'm not the type of person to just sit back and winge about something and not do anything about it but I'm not the type of person either who shouts to the world about the things I do to try and stop that which I do not agree with.

mattyp
31-01-2011, 12:30 PM
I've always used Excel for my rabbits, the rescue home recommended them to me :? My rabbits definitely produce a lot of poop, perhaps this is why! What else can I feed them? Is it possible to have a hay diet without pellets?

Starlight
31-01-2011, 01:00 PM
I've always used Excel for my rabbits, the rescue home recommended them to me :? My rabbits definitely produce a lot of poop, perhaps this is why! What else can I feed them? Is it possible to have a hay diet without pellets?

We use Science Selective and Dobson and Horrell pellets :)
Marvin was fed on P@H pellets originally as that is what the fosterers had him and the other 16 on that she was fostering.

mattyp
31-01-2011, 01:25 PM
We use Science Selective and Dobson and Horrell pellets :)
Marvin was fed on P@H pellets originally as that is what the fosterers had him and the other 16 on that she was fostering.

I've never heard of Dobson and Horrell? Well now i'm really confused about what to feed my rabbits, of excel has possible meat content and SS is sponsoring other rabbit shows...and P@H aren't any better! :?

donnamt
31-01-2011, 01:52 PM
what pies do wagg have their fingers in? not that ill be changing just wondered who they sponsor as i had no idea about any of this, infact it never entered my head at all its just food that isnt made by P&G or Unilever :oops:

Blackberry & Co
31-01-2011, 01:57 PM
I do plan on writing to Burgess about the animal show and the welfare of the buns very soon. Maybe I have ranted a bit on here but it was a hard w/e for me. I am very proactive about a lot of issues but I don't voice every thing I do.
I do feel a little bit taken aback by your message... Maybe I'm reading the tone wrong. I'm sorry if it seems I'm simply being reactive but I'm not the type of person to just sit back and winge about something and not do anything about it but I'm not the type of person either who shouts to the world about the things I do to try and stop that which I do not agree with.

Wasn't aimed particularly at you, just everyone jumps on the band wagon of criticising, but no-one actually says they are going to do anything about it - it was a general message to everyone. If all those who feel strongly about this same issue who have posted on this thread took the time to write and voice their opinions to Burgess then it would be a start.

Zahirre
31-01-2011, 02:19 PM
Wasn't aimed particularly at you, just everyone jumps on the band wagon of criticising, but no-one actually says they are going to do anything about it - it was a general message to everyone. If all those who feel strongly about this same issue who have posted on this thread took the time to write and voice their opinions to Burgess then it would be a start.

I agree...

All those annoyed with Burgess, who wants to write a letter? We can all address the same topics. Possibly highlighting the bunny welfare issues but also noting the positives of the show i.e. rescues, stalls etc. Maybe encourage them to do a show full of rescues, specialist vet info with vets on hand, stalls promoting natural rabbit products etc. I think a show like that would go down fantastically. Not just one focusing on buns but all small furries without the actual 'showing'.
Anyone up for it? :D

xx

DemiS
31-01-2011, 03:42 PM
what pies do wagg have their fingers in? not that ill be changing just wondered who they sponsor as i had no idea about any of this, infact it never entered my head at all its just food that isnt made by P&G or Unilever :oops:

They don't advertise much but have sent food as prizes for jumping and shows, and have asked us at the shows and jumping displays to take pictures of ourselves with the wagg prizes

donnamt
31-01-2011, 04:13 PM
They don't advertise much but have sent food as prizes for jumping and shows, and have asked us at the shows and jumping displays to take pictures of ourselves with the wagg prizes

ooh do they do treats as well as food *goes off to nosey and find the wagg website*

even the bunny brunch goes down well in this house :love:

sorry i went off topic there :lol: