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Candiflare
23-11-2010, 06:45 PM
I've just picked up the bun that's going to Alice's at Windwhistle this week from an AWFUL house. Took her straight to vet as she just didn't look right. Vet says she's hypothermic and malnourished (she's skeletal) and she has dribble all down her face and matted fur but the vet says her teeth look okay.

She's also scanning constantly and in a BIG way, but she's not REW, nor any shade of white. She's a grey harlequin. Is this normal?

Any tips on how to stabilise her?

wally4eva
23-11-2010, 06:51 PM
Sorry, I have not advice:( but didn't want to read and run! Hope you find something to help her out soon! Sending vibes!:love:

OriginalFlintstone
23-11-2010, 06:54 PM
Oh bless her poor bunny! Would giving her critical care help? I hope she gets better :(

rabbitdan
23-11-2010, 06:54 PM
just want to bump this for you
:wave:

bluebunny
23-11-2010, 06:57 PM
Wouldnt the vets keep her in?:shock:

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:00 PM
Wouldnt the vets keep her in?:shock:

Sh said no and that it would be a long process of just feeding her up. I think the reason she is hypothermic is because she's starving. Or they're both interlinked. I've got home and am syringe feeding her critical care and mashed up pellets and banana, but just wondered if there's anything I should do to raise her temp? But I know i shouldn't raise it too suddenly, should I?

The vet also said she thinks she might need a course of antibiotics, but as she's off to a rescue, it's better to just get her there and let her get over the upheaval and then sort her out.

Santa
23-11-2010, 07:05 PM
Poor little thing :cry:

It sounds as if she needs to stay indoors, it's dropping to freezing outside at the moment so if she has no body fat she won't be able to cope - and if she's already hypothermic a night or two outdoors now could kill her. I would just feed her up gently and gradually; if she is low weight because she has not been fed then I would just give extra portions of normal food and not give any other 'fattening' foods because that will just upset her digestion.

Grey harlequin types often do have a red tint to the back of their eyes even if you can't normally see it - maybe there's some genetic link to poor eyesight there - I have known buns of that sort of colouring be big scanners too, so I wouldn't worry unduly about that at the moment.

Good luck x

Jack's-Jane
23-11-2010, 07:06 PM
So she's had no treatment at all :?

She will need to be indoors. If she's hypothermic already she wont survive outdoors :cry:

Is she eating/drinking/pooing ?

Did the Vet check her ears and her eyesight ?

Did the Vet check for signs of dehydration ?

Captain Helen
23-11-2010, 07:07 PM
Sorry, no advice, but sending vibes for the poor bun xx

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:12 PM
Vet checked for dehydration, said she was hydrated, she's taking a lot of the syringe feeds and loves the food so is obviously just really hungry. I haven't seen a poo yet.

She's indoors in a carrier at the moment as I don't think she's used to more space than this.

I'm surprised the vet hasn't taken her in, but even more surprised that she hasn't told me what to do with her as she's hypothermic. She said her temperature was 97.

She checked, ears and eyes - eyes are red - I assume she checked her eyesight with the eye exam.



So she's had no treatment at all :?

She will need to be indoors. If she's hypothermic already she wont survive outdoors :cry:

Is she eating/drinking/pooing ?

Did the Vet check her ears and her eyesight ?

Did the Vet check for signs of dehydration ?

bluebunny
23-11-2010, 07:13 PM
Sh said no and that it would be a long process of just feeding her up. I think the reason she is hypothermic is because she's starving. Or they're both interlinked. I've got home and am syringe feeding her critical care and mashed up pellets and banana, but just wondered if there's anything I should do to raise her temp? But I know i shouldn't raise it too suddenly, should I?

The vet also said she thinks she might need a course of antibiotics, but as she's off to a rescue, it's better to just get her there and let her get over the upheaval and then sort her out.

They were wrong to say that:(,She is best not to travel untill shes a lot better

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:15 PM
I do trust my vet and I think my vet trusts me, but I am surprised they said I could take her home.

The woman I got her from said she had, had a litter 2 weeks ago of 2 rabbits, but one died and her son picked the other up by the back leg and snapped it :cry::cry::cry:

Beau Belle
23-11-2010, 07:16 PM
So very, very sad ~ best wishes to Bun xx

BinkyBun
23-11-2010, 07:21 PM
That place sounds horrific. Thank heavens she is safe now and getting proper care. Sending vibes xx

Jack's-Jane
23-11-2010, 07:21 PM
I do trust my vet and I think my vet trusts me, but I am surprised they said I could take her home.

The woman I got her from said she had, had a litter 2 weeks ago of 2 rabbits, but one died and her son picked the other up by the back leg and snapped it :cry::cry::cry:

If she kindled 2 weeks ago and only had 2 kits I am even more worried now :cry:

No disrespect intended to your Vet but I'd be seeking a second opinion ASAP.
I would be VERY reluctant for her to travel any distance.

Pegasys
23-11-2010, 07:24 PM
I had a very hypothermic guinea pig but he was so bad he couldn't move and was almost unconcious :( I managed to revive him by bringing him indoors and letting him adjust for about 15 minutes then I wrapped him in a towel and rubbed him gently to stimulate his circulation. I did this every few minutes until he was a bit warmer then put him in a box wrapped in the towel with a heatpad next to him, but not directly under him. Once he was fully concious I syringed him with warm rehydration fluid, I used dioralyte but avipro has electrolytes in it too so could be used instead. He was so much better by the time he got to the vet that they didn't believe me when I told them how bad he had been :roll: I'm glad to say he made a full recovery though :) Getting plenty of fibre in them if they will eat can help too because fibre produces lots of heat when fermented by bacteria in the gut.

From what you have said though I would be worried about other possible problems with this bunny too :(

Hugo's There
23-11-2010, 07:35 PM
Am I closer to you than Alice? I would be happy to help out if needed:wave:

prettylupin
23-11-2010, 07:37 PM
I agree with Jane. IMO she should have been admitted and put on a heat blanket or wrapped in veterinary heat wraps and given fluids sub-cut or IV to get her fluids and sugars up. If she's back with you now I would have her in a warm room on a heat pad and wrapped up in blankets or held for body warmth. Keep her eating and her fluids up too - whatever the vet says, a hypothermic bun is normally a bun where their digestion has ground to a halt and as a result they become internally dehydrated (in the guts) even if peripherally they seem normal.

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:39 PM
Am I closer to you than Alice? I would be happy to help out if needed:wave:

what's your postcode liz? I've forgotten again!

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:39 PM
http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx11/Candiflare/?action=view&current=MOV03806.mp4

Terrible quality video, but can someone reassure me that this is just scanning?

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:41 PM
I agree with Jane. IMO she should have been admitted and put on a heat blanket or wrapped in veterinary heat wraps and given fluids sub-cut or IV to get her fluids and sugars up. If she's back with you now I would have her in a warm room on a heat pad and wrapped up in blankets or held for body warmth. Keep her eating and her fluids up too - whatever the vet says, a hypothermic bun is normally a bun where their digestion has ground to a halt and as a result they become internally dehydrated (in the guts) even if peripherally they seem normal.

I totally respect both of your opinions and have called my friend who is a vet and he's coming round tonight and will admit her locally once he's decided how she is.

parsnipbun
23-11-2010, 07:43 PM
http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx11/Candiflare/?action=view&current=MOV03806.mp4

Terrible quality video, but can someone reassure me that this is just scanning?

Well Liz and jacks Jane and other specialists will know better than I do - but from experience I have that is not 'normal' scanning but something neurological - perhaps related to the hypothermia????? or the starvation???

Re getting her warm again - warmed subcut fluids and holding her against you are the best things (that is how you warm people - holding them with you skin to skin) but if there is a problem with that (poss mites etc) then wrap her in vetbed or anything else fluffy and warm and place somwhere gently warming - NOT hot.

Jack's-Jane
23-11-2010, 07:46 PM
http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx11/Candiflare/?action=view&current=MOV03806.mp4

Terrible quality video, but can someone reassure me that this is just scanning?

It looks like she has horizontal nystagmus (eyes flicking side-to-side)

To me it sounds as though she is one very poorly Rabbit :cry:

Nicola1
23-11-2010, 07:49 PM
:cry: nothing helpful to add I'm sorry, just sending lots of vibes for the poor girlie sounds like she's been through a lot

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 07:55 PM
It looks like she has horizontal nystagmus (eyes flicking side-to-side)

To me it sounds as though she is one very poorly Rabbit :cry:

:cry::cry:

Is there anything else I can check for before the vet comes round? I've checked her all over for flystrike, she's done some poos and they look okay. She's taking her syringe feeds, she's on a heatpad and (hopefully) gradually warming up...Her eyes are red and sore and she has a spot (like a stye) on one of them.

Jack's-Jane
23-11-2010, 08:01 PM
:cry::cry:

Is there anything else I can check for before the vet comes round? I've checked her all over for flystrike, she's done some poos and they look okay. She's taking her syringe feeds, she's on a heatpad and (hopefully) gradually warming up...Her eyes are red and sore and she has a spot (like a stye) on one of them.

Her genitals dont look swollen do they ?

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:06 PM
Her genitals dont look swollen do they ?

Just looked. no... thank goodness. Pink and normal sized.

bunny babe
23-11-2010, 08:08 PM
No advice, but didn't want to read and run. I hope she will be OK.

Jack's-Jane
23-11-2010, 08:10 PM
Just looked. no... thank goodness. Pink and normal sized.


I think all you can do now is wait for your Vet friend who will hopefully provide any appropriate treatment.

I really cant understand the other Vet not offering any treatment in this situation :?

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:12 PM
I think all you can do now is wait for your Vet friend who will hopefully provide any appropriate treatment.

I really cant understand the other Vet not offering any treatment in this situation :?

Me neither. She has started eating hay by herself now.

Hugo's There
23-11-2010, 08:13 PM
what's your postcode liz? I've forgotten again!

I've just googled it and I think I am about 15 minutes further than alice. But if she is very poorly but well enough to travel I will happily help out if Alice is tied up with all her rescue buns.

Sending lots of vibes for bunny xx

Snowy
23-11-2010, 08:13 PM
If you need any help with this bunny then please give me a shout, I am not that far away and can nurse during the day if needed

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:17 PM
If you need any help with this bunny then please give me a shout, I am not that far away and can nurse during the day if needed

Theo or Liz I'd be grateful if either of you could take a look at her. I think she will need proper testing somewhere.

At worst there is something wrong with her and that's why she's got those neurological signs and sore eyes and best case scenario she's just been so starved in the cold that it's caused parts of her body to slow down that are gradually warming up now.

Let me see what the vet says tonight. She's brightening up each minute, which is good. The difference to when I first got her is already quite big.

Snowy
23-11-2010, 08:18 PM
Theo or Liz I'd be grateful if either of you could take a look at her. I think she will need proper testing somewhere.

At worst there is something wrong with her and that's why she's got those neurological signs and sore eyes and best case scenario she's just been so starved in the cold that it's caused parts of her body to slow down that are gradually warming up now.

Let me see what the vet says tonight. She's brightening up each minute, which is good. The difference to when I first got her is already quite big.

Where are you tomorrow? are you anywhere near me?

Hugo's There
23-11-2010, 08:19 PM
Theo or Liz I'd be grateful if either of you could take a look at her. I think she will need proper testing somewhere.

At worst there is something wrong with her and that's why she's got those neurological signs and sore eyes and best case scenario she's just been so starved in the cold that it's caused parts of her body to slow down that are gradually warming up now.

Let me see what the vet says tonight. She's brightening up each minute, which is good. The difference to when I first got her is already quite big.

Do you still have my mobile number? Just text me if needed as I wont be around on RU much, :wave:

ETA If Theo is now helping then no problems

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:19 PM
Where are you tomorrow? are you anywhere near me?

No but I'm in Banbury on Thursday morning at 9.30....

Tomorrow I'm at work in Shipton Under Wychwood.

Snowy
23-11-2010, 08:23 PM
No but I'm in Banbury on Thursday morning at 9.30....

Tomorrow I'm at work in Shipton Under Wychwood.

The thing is I really think she needs a vet asap, did you say you have a vet visiting tonight?, let me know what he/she says and I can come a meet you late tonight or we can arrange something else?

prettylupin
23-11-2010, 08:26 PM
It's great that she's eating both syringe and voluntarily. There is nothing like food in the tummy to bring body temperature back up to normal. Buns are a bit like horses reliant on food metabolism to manufacture body heat so this is great that she's eating, very positive from the hypothermia point of view. No idea about the rest other than if it is a neurological nystagmus then I suppose active EC or a middle ear infection/cranial abcesses are a possibility :? But this is way beyond me. Good luck and well done for everything you have done and are doing for her. x

Jack's-Jane
23-11-2010, 08:26 PM
The thing is I really think she needs a vet asap, did you say you have a vet visiting tonight?, let me know what he/she says and I can come a meet you late tonight or we can arrange something else?


I agree with this.

Lots of vibes for the poor Bun xx

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:26 PM
I'll see what the vets says tonight, he's coming at 9pm. She's drinking and eating and pooing at the moment and is a lot more active than in the video, but she is still doing that scanning/not scanning thing. I've combed out a few of the matts in her fur and I'll give her another hour and make a decision. Can you PM me your mobile number Theo?

hurricanhoney
23-11-2010, 08:27 PM
Sending lots of vibes for the poor bun. Do you know what happened to the male bun that got her pregnant? If you can't get over to Theo's tomorrow I could take her for you I'm available during the day:wave:

Snowy
23-11-2010, 08:29 PM
I'll see what the vets says tonight, he's coming at 9pm. She's drinking and eating and pooing at the moment and is a lot more active than in the video, but she is still doing that scanning/not scanning thing. I've combed out a few of the matts in her fur and I'll give her another hour and make a decision. Can you PM me your mobile number Theo?

Sure will, depending on what the vet says I can collect very late tonight or I can meet you at Shipton Under Wychwood or a suitable point in the morning, will pm you my mobile

Becky86
23-11-2010, 08:32 PM
Ive no advice but want to send the bunny vibes :cry: Poor little girl. Paws crossed here xx

Tracybeakerisland
23-11-2010, 08:32 PM
Poor little mite. :shock:
So glad you collected her and hope the vet can offer the help she certainly seems to need.

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:36 PM
Sending lots of vibes for the poor bun. Do you know what happened to the male bun that got her pregnant? If you can't get over to Theo's tomorrow I could take her for you I'm available during the day:wave:

She sold the male bun last week :roll:

The awful thing is, she actually felt terribly guilty... like really, really guilty. I just wish that if she had felt like that before she would have done something sooner instead of set her free. She said "I have a whole bale of hay to give you" and I though "Oh... that'll be helpful..." then she brings through a bag of stained-black straw.. :cry:

Snowy
23-11-2010, 08:39 PM
She sold the male bun last week :roll:

The awful thing is, she actually felt terribly guilty... like really, really guilty. I just wish that if she had felt like that before she would have done something sooner instead of set her free. She said "I have a whole bale of hay to give you" and I though "Oh... that'll be helpful..." then she brings through a bag of stained-black straw.. :cry:

Hopefully he has gone to a better home, keep us posted, sending vibes for her

Gem
23-11-2010, 08:48 PM
She sounds like a little bunny that really wants to live, fingers crossed she can be set on the road to proper recovery soon :love:

Sounds like your doing a brilliant job with her :D

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 08:50 PM
the swaying has decreased dramatically now she's eaten and warmer... she's still doing it a bit, but it's much better. And she's eating the hay like it's going out of fashion. She must think it's christmas.

Elena
23-11-2010, 08:51 PM
I don't know if this helps at all. That video looks similar to how we found Mischa the day his EC manifested itself but he was swaying his head a LOT faster than that.

Gem
23-11-2010, 08:55 PM
the swaying has decreased dramatically now she's eaten and warmer... she's still doing it a bit, but it's much better. And she's eating the hay like it's going out of fashion. She must think it's christmas.

Christmas has come for the lucky girl :love:

poppymoon
23-11-2010, 09:02 PM
awww bless her, poor little darling:(

really hope she continues to improve, fingers and paws crossed for her here xxx

louise and Gus
23-11-2010, 09:16 PM
Hope the vet finds all ok :)

If she just needs rest, warmth and feeding up I'd imagine she's best staying with you for the time being, moving her again will just stress her

aliceechamberlain
23-11-2010, 09:26 PM
Sure will, depending on what the vet says I can collect very late tonight or I can meet you at Shipton Under Wychwood or a suitable point in the morning, will pm you my mobile

Thank you Theo.

You both have my number if you need to contact me. I really hope this little darling is recovering from her ordeal. The courage rabbits have never fails to amaze me.

Alice

Snowy
23-11-2010, 09:33 PM
Thank you Theo.

You both have my number if you need to contact me. I really hope this little darling is recovering from her ordeal. The courage rabbits have never fails to amaze me.

Alice

That's OK Alice, we will do what we can to help, just waiting for Catwalk Kate to come back to us and then we can make some plans hopefully, praying that it's nothing too serious and that she can be helped,

aliceechamberlain
23-11-2010, 09:37 PM
Catwalk Kate;)

Snowy
23-11-2010, 09:41 PM
Catwalk Kate;)

:oops::oops::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

ShivyRex
23-11-2010, 09:47 PM
Hope your vet friend has had a chance to look at her. It sounds like you have done a fab job so far :)

raine
23-11-2010, 10:36 PM
Kate your pm box is full

martlou
23-11-2010, 10:47 PM
Hope the little girl continues to improve :)

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 11:04 PM
Theo has now got the bun, thank goodness. We did a Tescos exchange about 30 mins ago. My friend who was the vet said the same thing as my vet and I just don't trust it completely. So I'm going to leave Theo to decide how she needs to be treated.

Thanks guys for all your support!

Snowy
23-11-2010, 11:11 PM
Just got back with the bunny and she is just gorgeous, she is painfully thin and quite lethargic but hopefully will pick up again now she is back in the warm, will get some pictures in the minute

Snowy
23-11-2010, 11:17 PM
Here's the special girl, it doesn't show just how thin she is, all you can feel is bones:cry::cry:

Isn't she beautiful

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/snowy2006_2006/Kate005x2.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/snowy2006_2006/Kate002x2.jpg

Captain Helen
23-11-2010, 11:25 PM
Aww, she's beautiful. Sending more vibes for the special girl. I hope you can help her xx

bunslave
23-11-2010, 11:26 PM
The poor mite :( Hope she carries on improving.

Candiflare
23-11-2010, 11:30 PM
:love::love: Oh I see she's got a bit of red eye there! Let's hope it's scanning afterall...

Rhianna
23-11-2010, 11:39 PM
Aww bless her tiny paws.

I so hope she will be OK now she has food, warmth and lots of TLC. Does she have a name yet?:)

It's great she enjoys nomming hay - she clearly knows what is good for her - clever bun.

Sending her lots and lots of healing and warming vibes from me and my fur family xxxx

Jenova
23-11-2010, 11:51 PM
Oh, my. Poor girl. :cry:

And I can see how thin she is, her back is all humped and her head is too big for her body. Keep us updated. *sending vibes*

Snowy
23-11-2010, 11:55 PM
I think she has settled rather well, she is busy chomping on some hay and dried herbs, she's had a drink and seems quite happy in her tris, will see how she is in the morning

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 12:05 AM
great! Let me know what you think about the scanning.

raine
24-11-2010, 12:10 AM
Well done you two. Shes lovely

chelle
24-11-2010, 12:48 AM
ah her condition is just aweful - so very thin...:cry:

So wonderful she is safe now...well done you guys! She certainly has a good little mind if she is chompingon her hay & herbs...and drinking and pooping - great news! Hope she can continue to recover so well....thanks for the piccies...she is just delightful - so pretty xxx

Snowy
24-11-2010, 02:23 AM
Well, I have sat up with this gorgeous girlie and she has settled very well, she has been drinking and eating her hay and readigrass, she is not keen on pellets, she is very calm and seems relaxed, will see what she is like in the morning, will update then

Amethyst
24-11-2010, 03:27 AM
She must be feeling SO much better thanks to you two! Thank goodness you were there to rescue this poor little girly. She's very pretty but so very skinny, but at least she knows what's good for her and is eating everything in sight! :lol:

When I got my guinea pig Jack he wasn't putting on weight properly when he was growing so my vet recommended I syringe-feed him some Critical Care. As it turned out I didn't need to as he'll happily take it from a bowl or a syringe without the need for force-feeding! Maybe this little girl would take some CC from a bowl on her own? It might help her put on a little more weight.

AMETHYST

bunny babe
24-11-2010, 07:23 AM
Well done to bothe of you for rescuing her and getting her this far. She has the best chance now to get through this. Sending her lots of vibes.

Jack's-Jane
24-11-2010, 07:33 AM
Well done Kate and Theo :D

I have a name suggestion for the Bun to mark the start of her new life........................

CATWALK KATE !! :lol:

More 'get stronger' vibes on their way :love:

hurricanhoney
24-11-2010, 07:44 AM
Well done Kate and Theo :D

I have a name suggestion for the Bun to mark the start of her new life........................

CATWALK KATE !! :lol:

More 'get stronger' vibes on their way :love:

Perfect name :lol: Glad she is safe now what a beautiful bunny :love:

parsnipbun
24-11-2010, 07:56 AM
I think she has settled rather well, she is busy chomping on some hay and dried herbs, she's had a drink and seems quite happy in her tris, will see how she is in the morning

Thats just great - hope she is feeling warmer and fuller this morning and the swaying was just cold.

VickiP
24-11-2010, 08:39 AM
Thats just great - hope she is feeling warmer and fuller this morning and the swaying was just cold.

Ditto - she looked completely drained and exhausted in that video, almost like coming out of a traumatic environment and being in mild shock but, not knowing whether to relax or not. I'm so glad she is safe now I dread to think what she has endured, she is a beautiful doe.

Snowy
24-11-2010, 08:52 AM
Well Catwalk Kate ( or Kate for short ) is doing very well this morning, she is eating for England, pooping like a trooper and looking quite bright in herself, she is not swaying, she is paifully thin and literally all bones so I think the swaying was something to do with the cold, she is much warmer and much brighter.

Well done Kate for getting her to safety, I don't think she would have lasted much longer outside and the tempretures are dropping so low at night now, lets have some vibes for this little girl that she gets over the traumas that she has endured and puts on lots of weight

Jack's-Jane
24-11-2010, 08:58 AM
That's great news :D

Hopefully warmth and good food will be all she needs to get her strength back.

Please keep us updated about her progress xx

abbymarysmokey
24-11-2010, 09:22 AM
Sending vibes for this little girly. Well done to everyone involved :D

KoShiatar
24-11-2010, 09:45 AM
Be strong girl! And if she's cold again, my buns loved a warm water bottle wrapped in a towel.

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 10:18 AM
It's great she's picking up. I expect the other one who was sold is in the same condition, and I really, really hope that the person who has bought him isn't keeping him outside.

Theo and I were saying last night, it's so sad because there are probably thousands of others out there like this and my heart bleeds for them. Even my vet said last night "Where there's one there will be more. Rabbits really are the most persecuted pet."

:cry::cry:

aliceechamberlain
24-11-2010, 10:54 AM
Oh you two angels! Well done, you must both be exhausted now. This is where I am totally useless, if I don't get lots of sleep I expire, you really have been able to look after her incredibly well, travelling the country and sitting up with her all night.

Now, you both get some rest:no: or you will have me to answer to! And, I am so, so frightening:lol:

Keep going little Kate, you are safe now.

Alice :love:

bunnymadhouse
24-11-2010, 10:55 AM
she is beautiful ... hope she thrives .. :D

Captain Helen
24-11-2010, 10:57 AM
So glad to see that Kate's doing better this morning. :) Well done to all involved! :wave:

Snowy
24-11-2010, 11:20 AM
Oh dear, thought is was too good to be true, I have just got her out of her tris and put her on the landing to have a run around and she can't hop, she can only walk, she is scared of the space and is not quite sure of what's happening, I would assume that she has been shut away in a tiny hutch and not let out for excercise :cry::cry::cry:, she is very nervous and when I tried to stroke her she cowered like she was going to be hit :shock::shock:

I think this little girlie is going to take some time to build her confidence

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 11:33 AM
:( :( :(

Feel like calling the owner and asking where the other bunny's gone...

Snowy
24-11-2010, 11:34 AM
:( :( :(

Feel like calling the owner and asking where the other bunny's gone...

Give it a go and if you get anywhere let me know:cry:, at least you could check the new owner out

Jack's-Jane
24-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Awwww poor little girlie :cry:

I wonder if she does actually have poor eyesight :? That may account for her odd 'scanning' type behavior and also her reluctance to move/fear of space/head-shyness.

Snowy
24-11-2010, 11:41 AM
Awwww poor little girlie :cry:

I wonder if she does actually have poor eyesight :? That may account for her odd 'scanning' type behavior and also her reluctance to move/fear of space/head-shyness.

Just been watching her and I think that's the problem, she ws laying all chilled out and when I approached her she wasn't quite sure and jumped up, she then started to scan slightly, she seemed more relaxed when I spoke to her.

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 11:43 AM
Oh dear, thought is was too good to be true, I have just got her out of her tris and put her on the landing to have a run around and she can't hop, she can only walk, she is scared of the space and is not quite sure of what's happening, I would assume that she has been shut away in a tiny hutch and not let out for excercise :cry::cry::cry:, she is very nervous and when I tried to stroke her she cowered like she was going to be hit :shock::shock:


When I went to pick her up she was on the floor surrounded by three of the owner's young sons who were firing pellet guns at her and their shoes were barely missing the top of her head. I bet she's been dropped, shot at and badly handled. When I put her in the carrier they were aiming the pellet guns through the gaps and I had to really pull myself back from throttling them.

Jack's-Jane
24-11-2010, 11:46 AM
Just been watching her and I think that's the problem, she ws laying all chilled out and when I approached her she wasn't quite sure and jumped up, she then started to scan slightly, she seemed more relaxed when I spoke to her.

That sounds very much like a poor sight problem then. Hopefully once she familiarises herself with her new environment she will gain more confidence.

I am sure she is already feeling much better now she is warm and has had some decent food.

What may have happened to her had you and Candiflare not helped her does not bare thinking about xx

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 11:56 AM
the owner's replied about the other bun - she says she will contact the woman and ask her to keep the bun inside so that he can warm up. I told the owner to tell her to give him lots of hay (not straw!)

Snowy
24-11-2010, 12:03 PM
When I went to pick her up she was on the floor surrounded by three of the owner's young sons who were firing pellet guns at her and their shoes were barely missing the top of her head. I bet she's been dropped, shot at and badly handled. When I put her in the carrier they were aiming the pellet guns through the gaps and I had to really pull myself back from throttling them.

Oh Lord help us:cry::cry::cry::cry:, no wonder she is in the state she is, the poor, poor girl, it will take time but hopefully we can get her right


That sounds very much like a poor sight problem then. Hopefully once she familiarises herself with her new environment she will gain more confidence.

I am sure she is already feeling much better now she is warm and has had some decent food.

What may have happened to her had you and Candiflare not helped her does not bare thinking about xx

Yes, I think she has poor eyesight too, I have her booked in for 9.30 in the morning to see Paula so hopefully she can give me more of an idea

Snowy
24-11-2010, 12:05 PM
the owner's replied about the other bun - she says she will contact the woman and ask her to keep the bun inside so that he can warm up. I told the owner to tell her to give him lots of hay (not straw!)

The trouble is that she can't bring him in and put him out again, if she's going to bring him in he needs to be kept in, will she give you the womans contact details so as you can do the advising?

poppymoon
24-11-2010, 12:08 PM
When I went to pick her up she was on the floor surrounded by three of the owner's young sons who were firing pellet guns at her and their shoes were barely missing the top of her head. I bet she's been dropped, shot at and badly handled. When I put her in the carrier they were aiming the pellet guns through the gaps and I had to really pull myself back from throttling them.

:shock:
well done you for not having to face prosecution for strangling revolting brats!

she's a gorgeous little girl:love: hope she continues to thrive and gain confidence. x

hurricanhoney
24-11-2010, 12:09 PM
Sending mega vibes for her well done Kate for getting her out and Theo for taking her on. Could you get the number of the person who took the male so you could go round and perhaps say you have to hay or something for the bun and check it over.

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 12:28 PM
I've just contacted her again and suggested she gives me the woman's phone number and email s that I can "advise." She is being really co-operative, so hopefully will do.

Snowy
24-11-2010, 12:31 PM
I've just contacted her again and suggested she gives me the woman's phone number and email s that I can "advise." She is being really co-operative, so hopefully will do.

Well done, good luck and hopefully she will give you the information

Captain Helen
24-11-2010, 12:38 PM
When I went to pick her up she was on the floor surrounded by three of the owner's young sons who were firing pellet guns at her and their shoes were barely missing the top of her head. I bet she's been dropped, shot at and badly handled. When I put her in the carrier they were aiming the pellet guns through the gaps and I had to really pull myself back from throttling them.

:shock: Oh my god, they were shooting at her?! :shock: That's awful. Well done you for staying calm. Poor Kate, I hope she can learn to trust people again after that horrible experience.

bunny babe
24-11-2010, 01:15 PM
:( Words fail me right now.

I really hope that she can pull through this with the love and care that Theo can provide.

My heart sinks knowing that the male may be somewhere not as bunny savvy as you guys. I hope you can get the contact details of the person who bought him.

KoShiatar
24-11-2010, 01:35 PM
When I went to pick her up she was on the floor surrounded by three of the owner's young sons who were firing pellet guns at her and their shoes were barely missing the top of her head. I bet she's been dropped, shot at and badly handled. When I put her in the carrier they were aiming the pellet guns through the gaps and I had to really pull myself back from throttling them.

I would have told them enough nasty things to scald the skin off their backsides. :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored::censored::censored:
How can people be so bloody stupid!!!!!!!! HOW?!

Debster
24-11-2010, 01:49 PM
Just read through this, made my stomach turn reading what happened to her babies :cry: and how she was treated by her "family" :censored: Its sickening to think of how many of these beautiful animals are experiencing the same treatment :cry:

Thank God for all you bunny angels who have helped to save her. Keep going Kate, you are safe now xxx

Candiflare
24-11-2010, 03:35 PM
I am sitting here agitated. I want to know that other bun is okay :(

No answer from the owner.

areia
24-11-2010, 03:51 PM
esh you did b****** well in rescueing her as for the pellet guns i would of grabbed it and fired it point blank at a leg to see how he would like it, clearly the children are not controled, spesh if the mother did nothing about

Snowy
24-11-2010, 05:36 PM
I am sitting here agitated. I want to know that other bun is okay :(

No answer from the owner.

Try not to worry, maybe she is at work or something?, see if you get a reply tonight

Michelleox
24-11-2010, 08:25 PM
Just like to say Well Done Kate for saving this sweet little bun's life. How you kept cool with the owner, i really don't know :censored:

This is just simply a horrible story but it's sounds like it WILL be a happy ending for bunny Kate.

angieb
24-11-2010, 08:48 PM
i would just like to say like many others have....WELL DONE :wave:

Snowy
25-11-2010, 02:08 AM
Kate has eaten well today and enjoyed her fusses, she is booked in with the vet for 9.30 in the morning and she will have a good check over and I will update you all

hurricanhoney
25-11-2010, 08:02 AM
Kate has eaten well today and enjoyed her fusses, she is booked in with the vet for 9.30 in the morning and she will have a good check over and I will update you all


Glad she's eating well good luck at the vets today :wave:

Snowy
25-11-2010, 11:29 AM
Have started a new thread

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=256358

raine
25-11-2010, 11:33 AM
Kate, we need to do a once over of this woman's back garden to make sure that she has no other bunnies on site.

Can we ask to collect the hutch to keep the bunny in? Ill help you to collect it and we can then do a once over.

Lspacehopper
25-11-2010, 12:21 PM
Just read through this. Poor, poor girl :(

I hope she does okay and a big well done to all involved xxx

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 02:24 PM
Hi Lorraine, as for giving the garden a once over, that's a really good idea, but I just don't think she'll allow me to go back to the house. She hasn't replied to my phone message and email asking for details about the now-owner of this boy bunny.

I got the impression that there were no other rabbits there - she was feeling so guilty about it all that if there had been other buns there, she would have handed them over too.

I've also just found her on gumtree :cry:

hurricanhoney
25-11-2010, 02:55 PM
[QUOTE=Candiflare;4185416]Hi Lorraine, as for giving the garden a once over, that's a really good idea, but I just don't think she'll allow me to go back to the house. She hasn't replied to my phone message and email asking for details about the now-owner of this boy bunny.

I got the impression that there were no other rabbits there - she was feeling so guilty about it all that if there had been other buns there, she would have handed them over too.



Are you sure the babies died as there are some babies on gumtree one of them looks like her or perhaps she's had other litters:?

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 03:08 PM
Are you sure the babies died as there are some babies on gumtree one of them looks like her or perhaps she's had other litters:?

Can you PM me the link?

Hugo's There
25-11-2010, 03:30 PM
One of those babies looks like it has a splay leg :? The ad is a month old so they have probably gone to new homes by now :( Looks like the bunny has been continually bred from:cry:

hurricanhoney
25-11-2010, 03:58 PM
One of those babies looks like it has a splay leg :? The ad is a month old so they have probably gone to new homes by now :( Looks like the bunny has been continually bred from:cry:

I thought one of them was sat oddly :( I can always send a enquiring email if needed Kate.

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 04:05 PM
I thought one of them was sat oddly :( I can always send a enquiring email if needed Kate.

That's what I said to Theo that we should do (obviously not from my account though!)

Do you mind asking her if she has any baby buns for sale at the moment?

hurricanhoney
25-11-2010, 04:06 PM
That's what I said to Theo that we should do (obviously not from my account though!)

Do you mind asking her if she has any baby buns for sale at the moment?


Consider it done. :wave:

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 04:10 PM
I feel such an idiot. I felt really sorry for her and genuinely believed that she knew nothing about rabbits and that she was overun with her kids who had special needs. I just throught she'd got into a tricky situation. But both those ads are hers and in them she knows all about what breeds they are, what they supposedly "need" to be healthy.

She is basically a breeder who treats her rabbits appallingly. One of the hutches on that baby page hasn't got anything IN it. It's just wood they are sitting on.

Snowy
25-11-2010, 04:22 PM
I feel such an idiot. I felt really sorry for her and genuinely believed that she knew nothing about rabbits and that she was overun with her kids who had special needs. I just throught she'd got into a tricky situation. But both those ads are hers and in them she knows all about what breeds they are, what they supposedly "need" to be healthy.

She is basically a breeder who treats her rabbits appallingly. One of the hutches on that baby page hasn't got anything IN it. It's just wood they are sitting on.

Please don't feel bad about this, you weren't to know, I think the link should be removed because everyone will be emailing her and she will get suspicious if we are trying to in there

hurricanhoney
25-11-2010, 04:24 PM
I feel such an idiot. I felt really sorry for her and genuinely believed that she knew nothing about rabbits and that she was overun with her kids who had special needs. I just throught she'd got into a tricky situation. But both those ads are hers and in them she knows all about what breeds they are, what they supposedly "need" to be healthy.

She is basically a breeder who treats her rabbits appallingly. One of the hutches on that baby page hasn't got anything IN it. It's just wood they are sitting on.


As I said in my pm the main thing is that you saved Catwalk Kate from a more than certain death of neglect. I've just had a response and the babies have all gone now. So they have probably all gone to lovely homes.

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 04:28 PM
I know... I just feel :censored::censored::censored:

I have edited my post and taken out the link.

Emma, do you mind editing your post and taking out the link in my quote?

Snowy
25-11-2010, 04:37 PM
I know... I just feel :censored::censored::censored:

I have edited my post and taken out the link.

Emma, do you mind editing your post and taking out the link in my quote?

Please don't feel bad, you did the best you possibly could, there are all sorts of unscrupulous people out there and they don't care about bunnies at all, they just have them to make money as this woman clearly did, that's why I detest and loathe all breeders with a passion

You have done a brilliant job and Kate is lying full stretch on a very warm landing carpet with a very full tummy, talking to Dougal through the wire, do you want to see?

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Please don't feel bad, you did the best you possibly could, there are all sorts of unscrupulous people out there and they don't care about bunnies at all, they just have them to make money as this woman clearly did, that's why I detest and loathe all breeders with a passion

You have done a brilliant job and Kate is lying full stretch on a very warm landing carpet with a very full tummy, talking to Dougal through the wire, do you want to see?

yes!!!

Snowy
25-11-2010, 04:46 PM
OKies, hang on a bit, be right back

Snowy
25-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Here you go, just look at her :love::love::love:


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/snowy2006_2006/Kate005x2-1.jpg

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Please don't feel bad, you did the best you possibly could, there are all sorts of unscrupulous people out there and they don't care about bunnies at all, they just have them to make money as this woman clearly did, that's why I detest and loathe all breeders with a passion

You have done a brilliant job and Kate is lying full stretch on a very warm landing carpet with a very full tummy, talking to Dougal through the wire, do you want to see?

I'm more frustrated with myself, I always do this. I always think everyone is "really nice." I think I need to get a bit wiser!

Snowy
25-11-2010, 04:48 PM
I'm more frustrated with myself, I always do this. I always think everyone is "really nice." I think I need to get a bit wiser!

Nah! there are a lot of nasty people out there :roll::roll:

So what do you think of her then? :love::love:

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 04:50 PM
Here you go, just look at her :love::love::love:


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/snowy2006_2006/Kate005x2-1.jpg

WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! She looks gorgeous!!! :love::love::love::love::love:

So good to see her like this....

Snowy
25-11-2010, 04:52 PM
WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! She looks gorgeous!!! :love::love::love::love::love:

So good to see her like this....

You see, it makes it all worth while, if you hadn't of rescued her then I doubt she would still be alive, so forget that lying breeder she is not worth a second thought, you have done a brilliant job and Kate sends you snuggles and thankies:love::love::love:

hurricanhoney
25-11-2010, 04:59 PM
You see, it makes it all worth while, if you hadn't of rescued her then I doubt she would still be alive, so forget that lying breeder she is not worth a second thought, you have done a brilliant job and Kate sends you snuggles and thankies:love::love::love:

I agree and sorry I highlighted it and upset you :(

raine
25-11-2010, 07:20 PM
Lovely photo Theo. Kate, dont give yourself a hard time as this bunny has been rescued.

These bunnies were being given away and not sold on Gumtree. It does sound as if got out of her depth. Whether she intended to breed and then couldn't sell them, they were finally being given away.

I would offer to take the hutches off her hands too, now that she has "given" up. You could say that they can go to a rescue and we can break up and dispose. If she sells these things, some poor bunny will end up in an unsuitable hutch.

Snowy
25-11-2010, 09:28 PM
Lovely photo Theo. Kate, dont give yourself a hard time as this bunny has been rescued.

These bunnies were being given away and not sold on Gumtree. It does sound as if got out of her depth. Whether she intended to breed and then couldn't sell them, they were finally being given away.

I would offer to take the hutches off her hands too, now that she has "given" up. You could say that they can go to a rescue and we can break up and dispose. If she sells these things, some poor bunny will end up in an unsuitable hutch.

Thank you.

I think it's a brilliant idea to see if you could get the hutches, it's got to be worth a try, keep us posted

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 10:18 PM
She isn't replying to my emails at the moment... I think she might have twigged I'm not entirely on her side...

Candiflare
25-11-2010, 10:19 PM
Lovely photo Theo. Kate, dont give yourself a hard time as this bunny has been rescued.

These bunnies were being given away and not sold on Gumtree. It does sound as if got out of her depth. Whether she intended to breed and then couldn't sell them, they were finally being given away.

I would offer to take the hutches off her hands too, now that she has "given" up. You could say that they can go to a rescue and we can break up and dispose. If she sells these things, some poor bunny will end up in an unsuitable hutch.

The baby bunnies were sold on gumtree, it was the mum and dad who were given away.

Snowy
25-11-2010, 11:07 PM
She isn't replying to my emails at the moment... I think she might have twigged I'm not entirely on her side...

That's worrying, but I don't see what else you can do, you really have done your best

aliceechamberlain
25-11-2010, 11:52 PM
What a lovely photo!

Please don't worry about the breeder Kate, you have made a difference to this bunny. This is all we can do, just chip away.

And, remember Ripple (the chocolate rex). She has gone to a wonderful house home. And, didn't you bring mum neddy and baby neddies? Last two booked, all wonderful loving homes.

You are making a difference.

I really try not to think of the gee eye tees we are trying to beat. I get all wound up and want to stamp on them, which makes me feel pretty much as nasty as they actually are:evil: And boy can I feel mad!

But, the bunnies aren't mad, so, I try to be like them. (It doesn't always work though, but I keep on trying;))

Alice x

Snowy
25-11-2010, 11:54 PM
What a lovely photo!

Please don't worry about the breeder Kate, you have made a difference to this bunny. This is all we can do, just chip away.

And, remember Ripple (the chocolate rex). She has gone to a wonderful house home. And, didn't you bring mum neddy and baby neddies? Last two booked, all wonderful loving homes.

You are making a difference.

I really try not to think of the gee eye tees we are trying to beat. I get all wound up and want to stamp on them, which makes me feel pretty much as nasty as they actually are:evil: And boy can I feel mad!

But, the bunnies aren't mad, so, I try to be like them. (It doesn't always work though, but I keep on trying;))

Alice x



Well said Alice, but it's like I always tell you..........They are loose in the community you know :lol::lol:

aliceechamberlain
25-11-2010, 11:59 PM
Well said Alice, but it's like I always tell you..........They are loose in the community you know :lol::lol:

Oh dear, aren't they just Theo. And breeding too:cry:

Holy smoke. Look at the time, and I am still up:lol:

raine
26-11-2010, 09:18 AM
The baby bunnies were sold on gumtree, it was the mum and dad who were given away.

The last ads were free to a good home and not for sale. It might be that she started off, like a lot of muppets, thinking its easy money. Then finding out she couldnt sell.

If you dont hear back from her by next week, give me her address and Ill drop her a line and ask for the hutches for "my" rescue.