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sally1974
01-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Is it any good? I have been told by the lady I got Chester from that excel I normally feed my buns isn't very good for them. I always fed Barney (french lop) on excel but seeing Chester he is massive(not fat) and fed on Allen and Page.Just wondered what everyone else thought:wave:

donnamt
01-09-2010, 08:00 PM
its great for huge golden poos :D:D but i find alvins fur goes quite dull so i still give a small measure (5ml) of wagg :D

helgalush
01-09-2010, 08:04 PM
All 5 of my bunnies are on it and they all have lovely round golden poops, even Starbuck's are nice and big now (they have been small and shrivelly in the past). It also helps keep his weight stable.

Kittykat23uk
01-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Gasket and Tappet were on it and never ever had a sticky bum. EVER!! :D I've moved Sprocket and Widget onto it too.

Rykat
01-09-2010, 08:16 PM
I would love mine to eat it as it's so much cheaper than SS, but the little sods refuse :evil:

bunny babe
01-09-2010, 08:16 PM
I tried it and the bunnies loved it but I did find that Homer's coat went dull. I changed back to Oxow and it is nice and shiny again. :D

mini lop1
01-09-2010, 08:22 PM
he was on it when we first got him from what he had as baby, but i then got him onto excell, but since changed to SS

BB Mommy
01-09-2010, 08:34 PM
11 of mine are on it, but Joey my old man,has gone onto Excel mature to get a bit more meat on him.
A&P is great - I've never had a bun with a sticky bum, and barely any tum problems either.
All the rabbits at the sanctuary are on it, apart from some of the elder ones who have trouble keeping on weight.

DemiS
01-09-2010, 09:02 PM
It's a great food, especially for the price. I'd go with breeder and grower though rather than the natural, the natural is very high in fibre but can cause weight loss

sazzy
01-09-2010, 09:10 PM
All 7 of mine are on it and there doing great even roger my eldest at 7 i've never known rabbits to like food like my lot like there allen and page harry will even pick them over his veg :shock:

holidayhutch
01-09-2010, 11:00 PM
It absolutely flies out here in sack fulls so must be popular, but we did have to switch our own buns off of it as they were losing weight and are now on Science Selective with no problems.

purplebumble
02-09-2010, 02:41 AM
:wave: i may have to get the breeders and growers again for my old man bertie.
When i borrowed then adopted him he was on allen and page natural pellets...but when he bonded with bif..she was on ss and he joined her...and doubled his weight:shock:

tried excel...they hated it!

back on the natural pellets.......he lost the excess but stayed a chunky boy.

now weve lost bif.....merlins still on his wagg pellets he was on at the rescue...and im about to change him over.

mind you bertie noms noms merlins pellets as a treat...the odd tsp:lol:

sally1974
02-09-2010, 09:46 AM
Thanks everyone, sounds like it is good stuff:Dthink I might change all of mine to it. Where do you buy it from as I have never seen it in shops?

donnamt
02-09-2010, 09:47 AM
Thanks everyone, sounds like it is good stuff:Dthink I might change all of mine to it. Where do you buy it from as I have never seen it in shops?

you can buy smaller weights from holiday hutch's shop.. if you went to a horse supplier place you would probably have to buy the 20kg sack, it goes off after 3 months too :(

redliz
02-09-2010, 09:58 AM
Allen and Page are an excellent company (I know them through horse feed :D)
Most of their products are also approved the Vegetarian Society (so no nasties in there ).
I might try Phoebe on it . She gets a pet shop muesli ( I know, but she likes it..and it's what she's always had for 3+ years.)
I've tried slowly introducing other feeds but she's not struck (didn't mind Wagg too much but Excel was a waste of time and money)
She really likes the Natural Pet Herbs Plus mix but it's fiendishly expensive so I mix it in with her muesli.
She's happy,healthy, with a beautiful shiny coat, and no probs with poos or tum, so I must be doing something right anyways :lol:

honeybunny
02-09-2010, 10:39 AM
Will repeat what others have said
Allen and Page is very good..but if you have an elderly bun you will have better results if you mix the A & P with some SS...or A & P's breeder grower..or Heygates rabbit pellets.., other wise the buns can lose condition

younger buns do really well on them and once changed love them!

lizzyjm
02-09-2010, 10:44 AM
I've never had any problems with Excel - I got it because that's what they were on at the rescue. The poops are fine and no sticky buns! I've got some Wagg to try though as it was cheaper, but then I didn't realise it would last so long so cost doesn't really matter so much! My buns go mental for the Excel pellets as well, so I'm not sure they'd appreciate a change!

Diddeen
02-09-2010, 10:51 AM
my lot have been on A&P natural pellets for quite a few years now and love them..changing them froM SS was difficult cos they preferred SS but as i gave them less and less SS they ate up the A&P. Nala did appear to lose some weight to begin with but i gave her a bit more and she has been ok since. I (touch wood) have hardly had any tummy problems over the last 3 yrs theyve been on them although ive probably adjusted other parts of their diet too.

Whats the difference between natual and Breeder & Grower pellets then? I've never given them B&G ones but simba and nala are both 6yr old so wonder if i should.

Amy104
02-09-2010, 12:35 PM
Will repeat what others have said
Allen and Page is very good..but if you have an elderly bun you will have better results if you mix the A & P with some SS...or A & P's breeder grower..or Heygates rabbit pellets.., other wise the buns can lose condition



I agree - I love A&P but in the winter I need to use the breeder and grower version instead of the naturals as my buns seem to burn more calories in the colder weather and I had probs keeping weight on a few of them.

donnamt
02-09-2010, 12:54 PM
my vet is concerned how much weight Alvin has lost. (2.45kg - 2.15kg since April) im torn now up A&P and possibly still have weightloss. up wagg and possibly risk gut problems. ideally he should be 2.2kg so hes only a touch under but she said he felt boney :(

ive got till 11pm to decide what im going to do.. arrggghhhh

i know A&P is best for tummies but it never seems to agree with Alvin, his furl losses shine and now hes boney. Holly is thriving on the stuff :? :? :?

coco1200
02-09-2010, 12:58 PM
It's a great food, especially for the price. I'd go with breeder and grower though rather than the natural, the natural is very high in fibre but can cause weight loss

Yep, I experienced this exact problem, no matter how much I fed them. Their coats were awful as well and lost all shine to it and were moulting very heavily. I switched to breeders and growers and they did so much better on it.

Downside is the date on it, you have to use it within something like 3 months before the it goes OOD. Also, its not great for dental bunnies as I found out, Noisette couldn't even eat them and she has ever so little spurs at the back of her mouth, so for that reason I had to switch... also I fell out with the supplier over an argument so I was literally forced to change :oops::oops:

Amy104
02-09-2010, 01:03 PM
i know A&P is best for tummies but it never seems to agree with Alvin, his furl losses shine and now hes boney. Holly is thriving on the stuff
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Have you thought about trying the breeder grower. I can't find a full nutritional breakdown but what I could find was fairly similar to the naturals bar the protein content which is higher and helps keep the weight on. Its still high in fibre and low in starch.

honeybunny
02-09-2010, 01:11 PM
breeder grower

COMPOSITION Oil 3.00% Protein 15.50 Fibre 18.00%, HIGH FIBRE, LOW STARCH

natural pellets

COMPOSITION Oil 3.25% Protein 12.00 Fibre 23.00%,HIGH FIBRE, LOW STARCH

Diddeen
02-09-2010, 01:27 PM
breeder grower

COMPOSITION Oil 3.00% Protein 15.50 Fibre 18.00%, HIGH FIBRE, LOW STARCH

natural pellets

COMPOSITION Oil 3.25% Protein 12.00 Fibre 23.00%,HIGH FIBRE, LOW STARCH

so is the bit of extra protein what makes all the difference? bit worried about changing to a lower fibre pellet though
I've just ordered bag of SS so i'll try giving them a mixture

Amy104
02-09-2010, 02:42 PM
so is the bit of extra protein what makes all the difference?

Thats the impression I was given by a previous vet. She originally told me to use excel junior/dwarf as the protien was higher and some of my littler buns seemed to be the ones with the problem, but I liked A&P so tried the breeder grower first off and it seemed to work.

anamaria
02-09-2010, 05:42 PM
i've just bought some Allen and Page to try, Cookie was getting a mucky bum on SS. how much of the Allen and Page should i be feeding each day?

lottielouise
02-09-2010, 05:52 PM
i've just bought some Allen and Page to try, Cookie was getting a mucky bum on SS. how much of the Allen and Page should i be feeding each day?

an egg cup full per rabbit is recommended

purplebumble
03-09-2010, 12:00 AM
if was a dental bun and suffered sticky bum stasis on and off all the time.
She fared best on a and p.
but i also tried mixing these as the odd treat pellet...
my bridge frenchie doe ate thru the whole pack after nicking it from the kitchen worktop...:oops:

https://www.thehayexperts.co.uk/Food.10/View+All+Foods.137/Bunny+Nature+Green+Dream+Oral+%25252F+Senior+%3A+1 .5kg.392.html?osCsid=doujbt8obqj3oaaat36139d7j2

Sparkle x
03-09-2010, 01:58 AM
mine have it mixed with SS, guess what they eat first :roll: