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Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 05:41 PM
Hi,

As some of you may know I had two new baby bunnies noodle and twiglet on the 23rd of this month.

On the day we had them, twiglet was grunting which i put down to nervousness, never the less I booked them in for a health check for tomorrow.

Yesterday I was outside and twiglet made a really loud 'QUACK' noise when she was eating. She did it twice and I thought maybe some food went down the wrong hole. She went quiet and still for a minute and looked a bit shaken up but then carried on eating and playing.

I though nothing more of it but today (in front of me and my OH) she was cleaning but started doing it again 'QUACK' then a 3 second pause then 'QUACK'... About two hours later she had a huge sneezing fit which lasted about a minute and caused her whole body to shake with the force of it. I tried to stroke her to comfort her but it kept going. Clear fluid came down her nose but then she just hopped off and played with her toys.

I immediately called the vets as she is only 10 weeks old I had no idea what it could be. I drove to our nearest vetinary hospital and paid 76 for a consultation and a weeks worth of baytril.

The vet checked her really well, the discharge had gone, her ears were clear, he said she had some spurs coming on her right lower teeth but this had not caused any ulceration or cuts so was unlikely to be the problem.

He listened to her chest for ages and stuck a thermometer up the poor girls bum but said her chest sounded really clear. He prescribed a week of baytril 'in case' and gave her an injection of antibiotics. He thinks maybe the stress of moving house and being outside for the first time might be the cause. He doubts it is an allergy and said if it was pastuerella then she would have a white discharge...

Does anyone know what this is? She is running round fine now and playing. Just worried next time we go out she will be dead! Vet has said to return in a week if she is still suffering with these fits.

I bought a sachet of recovery just incase, I do have a bad feeling about this....

any ideas ???

Hugo's There
28-03-2010, 05:56 PM
Oh my goodness, someone elses bunny is quacking and sneezing.

I have this problem with Larry and I am sure the vets think I am insane. He never does it at the vets, despite being admited for a day :roll:

he has had chest x-rays and bloods taken, everything came back normal.

Don't know what else we can do for him.

Please can you let me know how Twiglet gets on and if it continues, and whether your vet comes up with anything :wave:

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 05:58 PM
yeah deffo! and vice versa!

im thinking as she is a pet shop bunny that it may be a genetic disorder! The vet said it sounded like a behavioural problem but i cant see that myself...

you know maybe like a muscular spasm in the throat or something.....

how long has your bunny done this? its new to me and her litter mate is fine!

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 05:59 PM
can they just have a cold???

Hugo's There
28-03-2010, 06:00 PM
He has been doing it for a couple of months now. The other morning he seemed to be alternating between choking and sneezing for around 15 minutes. hasn't done it since :?

Will let you know of any developments, but we are pretty stumped at the moment :?

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 06:01 PM
can bunnies have tirets???:lol:

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 06:27 PM
http://rabbitbook.webs.com/pg22sneezing.htm

for attention???

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 08:43 PM
this is what he is doing (the vid is not my bunny)

I would describe twiglets fits as what goes on in the first 10-15 seconds of the clip!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFmWH0SA9t4

VickiP
28-03-2010, 08:50 PM
Try not to panick, there aren't any allergens like airfreshners or perfume or tobacco smoke near her? Keep her warm, lots of hay and fresh air I am sure she will be fine, build her up gradually, Kaths101 had the runt of a litter as I did and I do remember Gizmo sneezing for a couple of days - it will pass as she settles I am sure, main thing is to keep her warm and well fed. Give it time and don't stress too much. The baytril should nip anything in the bud hopefully, if it's stressful put it in her water maybe.

bluebunny
28-03-2010, 08:52 PM
this is what he is doing (the vid is not my bunny)

I would describe twiglets fits as what goes on in the first 10-15 seconds of the clip!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFmWH0SA9t4

Thats quite upsetting:( ive never seen a rabbit do that before

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 08:52 PM
Try not to panick, there aren't any allergens like airfreshners or perfume or tobacco smoke near her? Keep her warm, lots of hay and fresh air I am sure she will be fine, build her up gradually, Kaths101 had the runt of a litter as I did and I do remember Gizmo sneezing for a couple of days - it will pass as she settles I am sure, main thing is to keep her warm and well fed. Give it time and don't stress too much. The baytril should nip anything in the bud hopefully, if it's stressful put it in her water maybe.


thanks, she is outside...no allergens, and we use wood based cat litter and no sawdust.....

just dont want her to suffer... she looked panicky just like the bunny in the video....

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 08:53 PM
Thats quite upsetting:( ive never seen a rabbit do that before

its just like twiglets, I was devestated and was already ringing the vets within 1 minute of it happening...... But the weird thing was she was so happy afterwards just hopping about playing with her toys

VickiP
28-03-2010, 08:54 PM
http://rabbitbook.webs.com/pg22sneezing.htm

for attention???

I don't think it's for attention but, I think it can become learned behaviour by association, that is why I would be careful about reacting too quickly when it happens, play it down. I also think stress can cause strange behaviour in all species of animals as can fear etc - just keep and eye on it and let her relax it may fade with bit of luck.

VickiP
28-03-2010, 08:56 PM
its just like twiglets, I was devestated and was already ringing the vets within 1 minute of it happening...... But the weird thing was she was so happy afterwards just hopping about playing with her toys

Try to keep her really warm and cosy and lots of rest, she should be kept as quiet as poss and monitor her input and output really closely, if they are normal I would monitor it but, not panick, it could be a mild respiratory but, the baytril should remedy that. Either way she has had a lot of stress what with two new homes and then the vets visit, warmth and rest is more important now for a couple of days I think.

TeflonsShadow
28-03-2010, 08:57 PM
That video really sounds like the bun has something stuck in her airway, I have had a few throat infections which meant I had loads of mucus (sorry, I know, gross) and I would struggle to get it off my throat, this is what the bun on the video reminds me off..... is it possible that the bun could have mucus in its chest/throat?? Could be an idea for some baytril perhaps??

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 09:00 PM
That video really sounds like the bun has something stuck in her airway, I have had a few throat infections which meant I had loads of mucus (sorry, I know, gross) and I would struggle to get it off my throat, this is what the bun on the video reminds me off..... is it possible that the bun could have mucus in its chest/throat?? Could be an idea for some baytril perhaps??

Vet says no mucus, and she is now on baytril but its a 'suck it and see' course

TeflonsShadow
28-03-2010, 09:02 PM
Vet says no mucus, and she is now on baytril but its a 'suck it and see' course

Hmmm.....I hope it gets better for you, it couldnt have been a rogue piece of hay that tickled the throat or something?

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 09:03 PM
Hmmm.....I hope it gets better for you, it couldnt have been a rogue piece of hay that tickled the throat or something?

I do hope so :D She is really really greedy and eats LOADS! and it wouldnt suprise me if she wasnt 'chewing' her food properly!

Sky-O
28-03-2010, 09:21 PM
That sound comes from a similar place as Badger's noise. He has started a deep cough every so often and also a big splutter. His happens when he has been asleep and seems to be when he sleeps in certain positions and not others.

When Badger first started having problems we put it down to his spurs because they needed doing and the vet thought it was excess saliva. That cleared it up initially but then he started again. He showed now signs of any infection first of all, but now he does and he now has pneumonia (a lower respiratory infection).

For those noises I found a nebuliser worked instantly and after one session we saw such a vast improvement (I bought one from Maplins for 60). Also what we have noticed is that colder, cooler air doesn't help and makes him considerably worse, to the extent that if the heating comes on later he gets worse, and I can't have the window in my room open because he starts again.

I would wonder if you could bring him in to a less harsh air and see if that makes a difference?

Its horrible. Badger looks distressed after but carries on pretty much as normal as soon as he has settled.

*lily*
28-03-2010, 09:22 PM
Very strange that the chest and airways were checked and were clear as Simba sounded exactly like that when he started with pneumonia so would have said that it was some sort of respiratory problem :?

Hope you get to the bottom of it soon.

antigone
28-03-2010, 09:28 PM
I do hope so :D She is really really greedy and eats LOADS! and it wouldnt suprise me if she wasnt 'chewing' her food properly!

This is a good sign!:D
Sending lots of vibes for Twiglet xxx

Maizey
28-03-2010, 09:30 PM
After watching the video,this is exactly what Blue does throughout the day plus sneezing.All my buns have staph aureus.Blue has an engomycin injection every three days,this got worse after his last myxo jab March 09.I dont have him vaccinated any more.Blue is a happy little chap apart from these bouts of sneezing and chocking

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:02 PM
Ohh, that poor bun in the video! It sounds like it would hurt coughing/sneezing like that. :shock: My Daphne sneezes when she's moulting a bit, but never in extended bouts like that.

I'm quite surprised to read your bunny has started developing teeth spurs at ten weeks old too. Poor little mite.

Give her some good ole' nose rubs from me! :)

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Ohh, that poor bun in the video! It sounds like it would hurt coughing/sneezing like that. :shock: My Daphne sneezes when she's moulting a bit, but never in extended bouts like that.

I'm quite surprised to read your bunny has started developing teeth spurs at ten weeks old too. Poor little mite.

Give her some good ole' nose rubs from me! :)

I will, the vet suspects the spurs were created by a poor diet in early weeks- he thinks now they have a better diet that they will go...

do you think?

Hugo's There
28-03-2010, 10:10 PM
That video is similar to Larry, but Larry is not quite as severe as that. The poor bunny :(

I have never seen a seizure like that before, I wonder if that is a vet diagnosis or a home diagnosis:?

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 10:11 PM
That video is similar to Larry, but Larry is not quite as severe as that. The poor bunny :(

I have never seen a seizure like that before, I wonder if that is a vet diagnosis or a home diagnosis:?

its home I think- dont think thats a seizure...

Hanlou
28-03-2010, 10:12 PM
I'm quite surprised to read your bunny has started developing teeth spurs at ten weeks old too. Poor little mite.

I agree - I had no idea they could develop so early on either! I'd be surprised at it being diet at such a young age but am not knowledgable at all - at least you're aware so can keep a check on it anyway. xx

Vibes for Twiglet x

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:14 PM
I will, the vet suspects the spurs were created by a poor diet in early weeks- he thinks now they have a better diet that they will go...

do you think?

I hope so! Although I'm not sure if a better, chewier diet would 'remove' the spurs, but it would keep them under control a bit. To be honest, I'm not all that clued up on dental problems. I don't think I've ever heard of a bunny that young developing spurs though. :? Is she a good little hay muncher? I know hay is very good for chewing.

Hopefully she won't turn out to be a dental bun - my Daphne has recently had her incisors removed as they were terribly mis-alligned and it was pretty stressful for me (I'm a huge worrier!)... but Daph didn't care at all! :roll::lol: She has her molars burred a few times a year, it costs a bit but I think she's worth it. ;) She gets lots and lots of hay. My vet is quite convinced she'd need her teeth doing every few weeks if she didn't eat so much of it.

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 10:19 PM
I hope so! Although I'm not sure if a better, chewier diet would 'remove' the spurs, but it would keep them under control a bit. To be honest, I'm not all that clued up on dental problems. I don't think I've ever heard of a bunny that young developing spurs though. :? Is she a good little hay muncher? I know hay is very good for chewing.

Hopefully she won't turn out to be a dental bun - my Daphne has recently had her incisors removed as they were terribly mis-alligned and it was pretty stressful for me (I'm a huge worrier!)... but Daph didn't care at all! :roll::lol: She has her molars burred a few times a year, it costs a bit but I think she's worth it. ;) She gets lots and lots of hay. My vet is quite convinced she'd need her teeth doing every few weeks if she didn't eat so much of it.

Ha, yeah -they destroyed a giant willow ball between them in a day - and i have never seen such big gold poos ! i have started mixing junior SS in with their SS for growth etc...

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Ha, yeah -they destroyed a giant willow ball between them in a day - and i have never seen such big gold poos ! i have started mixing junior SS in with their SS for growth etc...


:lol: Mine love to destroy willow balls too! I haven't had the heart to give Daphne one since having her front teeth out. I bet she'd be gutted that she couldn't rip it apart! :lol:

I saw bunny food actually designed for dental rabbits earlier. Hmmm.... Where di I see it?! *Goes off to trawl the internet*....

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 10:33 PM
:lol: Mine love to destroy willow balls too! I haven't had the heart to give Daphne one since having her front teeth out. I bet she'd be gutted that she couldn't rip it apart! :lol:

I saw bunny food actually designed for dental rabbits earlier. Hmmm.... Where di I see it?! *Goes off to trawl the internet*....

Earl has his incisors removed- he does great! We dont notice a difference in him at all from any of our other buns!

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Foooound it! :wave:

https://www.thehayexperts.co.uk/Food.10/View+All+Foods.137/Bunny+Nature+Green+Dream+Oral+%25252F+Senior+%3A+1 .5kg.392.html

"Bunny Nature Green Dream Oral/Senior (Sensitive) is a specially adjusted basic diet for rabbits with dental or eating problems. The optimal particle size and rough fibrous structure of the gently pressed raw materials are ideal for providing the necessary dental abrasion. In addition, the signifcantly reduced pellet size ensures that rabbits with missing teeth or other mouth issues can eat this food without difficulty."

It's obviously not intended for baby bunnies but it may be worth getting a bag and adding a few pellets to her normal food. If her spurs are only small, it may well make them that bit smaller. ;)

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Earl has his incisors removed- he does great! We dont notice a difference in him at all from any of our other buns!

I might just try her with one then! :D If she can't chew it and looks at me with a sad face I shall blame you :p:lol:

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Foooound it! :wave:

https://www.thehayexperts.co.uk/Food.10/View+All+Foods.137/Bunny+Nature+Green+Dream+Oral+%25252F+Senior+%3A+1 .5kg.392.html

"Bunny Nature Green Dream Oral/Senior (Sensitive) is a specially adjusted basic diet for rabbits with dental or eating problems. The optimal particle size and rough fibrous structure of the gently pressed raw materials are ideal for providing the necessary dental abrasion. In addition, the signifcantly reduced pellet size ensures that rabbits with missing teeth or other mouth issues can eat this food without difficulty."

It's obviously not intended for baby bunnies but it may be worth getting a bag and adding a few pellets to her normal food. If her spurs are only small, it may well make them that bit smaller. ;)

Oh wow! thanks - that looks great!

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:40 PM
Oh wow! thanks - that looks great!

No worries! I randomly found it earlier and was quite impressed there was special food for dental buns. It's a bit expensive but if you were to just add a little handful in with her normal food I bet it would last a while. :wave:

Jemma&Theo
28-03-2010, 10:42 PM
No worries! I randomly found it earlier and was quite impressed there was special food for dental buns. It's a bit expensive but if you were to just add a little handful in with her normal food I bet it would last a while. :wave:

yeah definately ! I will get some of this tomorrow, have a peruse at the website and buy a few things- hate ordering small because of the postage fees!

georgie_f
28-03-2010, 10:45 PM
:D I sense some lucky bunnies will be getting lots of treats sooooon! ;):lol:

I really want to order loads of stuff from the Hay Experts but I seem to want all the heavy stuff that costs loads to deliver! :lol::roll:

tigerbabe
29-03-2010, 02:30 PM
I will, the vet suspects the spurs were created by a poor diet in early weeks- he thinks now they have a better diet that they will go...

do you think?

My petshop boy Jasper, as well as having Bronchitis when I got him also had quite badly overgrown front teeth... he was only 8 weeks old :evil:
He also had a bad bout of diarrhea (possibly from the antibiotics) so the vet had to just clip them with the intention of sorting him out properly when he wasn't so poorly. But his teeth have been perfect ever since *touch wood* so I can only put the problem down to the diet he had before I got him. Hopefully Twiglet won't have any future problems with a good diet :)