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bambi2906
26-03-2010, 07:48 PM
arhh im so angry i could cry.
my auntie has got a new rabbit last week for her 4 year old son. after trying to tell her not to get one for him as he would get bored she said she was going to get one know matter what i told her to get it from a rescue she got him from P@H saying that she wants a baby. She has now brought another for her other son who is 2 years old again from p@h.
she put a status on fb saying she had got another so i wrote that they needed bonding and to have there cage disinfected. she replies saying that she has own 7 pedigree lionheads before so she knew already.
yeah she did own 7 bunnies which all died one christmas because she didnt care for them. :evil:
and then someone put on about carrots and i put about how they are high in sugar etc and they reply with some very nasty comment basically taking the mickout of how i keep my rabbits.
my rabbits are my babies and i do whats best for them. i was only trying to give good advice out on how to care for her new bunny and what do i get nasty remarks calling me doctor doolittle wannabe.
im so angry why are people so stupid they cant take good advice without being rude back.
sorry for the rant a lot of people dont understand that a rabbit shouldnt be put in a tiny hutch at the bottom of the garden :evil:

FriskyClover
26-03-2010, 07:55 PM
It is a sad fact of life that most people are not as bothered about rabbits as they should be. Today, I was talking in work about how much I have spent on vets bills and they were shocked that I would pay out so much for a couple of rabbits.

You have tried your best to help her and if she is too ignorant to listen, that is not your fault. I would fill her inbox regularly with downloads of RWA leaflets and if she lives nearby, see if you can check up on the poor bunny.

Hugs,

FC x

bambi2906
26-03-2010, 08:01 PM
thanks
i just feel really hurt i wasnt be a know it all i was generally trying to help ive seen the cage shes brought and theres no way two is going to fit in it.
http://www.petsathome.com/shop/ranch-120-rabbit-hutch-by-ferplast-27551
her first bunny is beautiful so tame and to know its going to be stuck in there makes me mad :censored:
its also the names they called me its just not right to be horrible to someone who is trying to help :evil:

luvabun
26-03-2010, 08:05 PM
How anyone can seriously think a 2 and a 4 year old can take care of animals is beyond belief. Ignore all the insults, you know you are right. I'd take bets on her whinging that these are a burden within a few months:(

giantbunnymummy
26-03-2010, 08:11 PM
Well done for trying to help, sorry your good intentions didn't get a better response.

Poor bunnies :(

bambi2906
26-03-2010, 08:12 PM
well she brought them for there easter presents. :censored:
to top it of they are both unneutered males which arent related so how long it will be before they fight i dont know :cry:

Snouter
26-03-2010, 08:27 PM
You can tell people good advice, you can't force them to pay any attention.

You did a good job in telling her, but good advice is often ignored if people don't want to listen.:(

She's obviously got a good track record of rabbit care if all 7 died. :evil:
There's no excuse for criticising you for your level of care of your rabbits.

I hope that P@H explained to her all the problems with rabbits and the long-term commitment required. That's what they claim they do. I hope they did not top it off by selling them two tiny hutches.:(

Two small children and rabbits are not a good combination. I hope the adult is committed to provide care for their lifetime (rabbits and children). The children will be teenagers when the rabbits come to the end of their natural lives - will they still be committed?

I would almost put money on you seeing these rabbits within 6 months when the novelty wears off.

bambi2906
26-03-2010, 08:35 PM
i thinks she thinks that just because im 18 i dont know a lot but i do especially since coming on here ive learnt a lot! just because im young doesnt meant i should be heard any less.
i think the seven were mum and babies and dad and they all died winter 2008 because in my opinon they werent well looked after.
well she brought them one and then decided tto get another and i dont think they advised her at all.
i agree i think they will be at my house soon or just left in the hutch at the bottom of the garden like the last lot were. not sure what my mum and dad will say i had to beg to get blue and annie

Biscuit's Mum!
26-03-2010, 08:38 PM
My family call me the Rabbit Whisperer as I have charmed a very uncared for buck and have forced my sister (hate to say it) to increase his care and attention. Nobody really got it, but now they have all seen my two, it's a different story!

chelle
26-03-2010, 08:42 PM
So sorry! its so hard when its family too!:cry:
Name calling is not neccessary - but as we all know people often do this to make themselves feel better.....and when they know they are wrong!:evil:

Perhaps next time she mentions her expertise in rabbits - pedigree lionheads you could ask where they are?!

Youve done the best you can and youve spoken up - its hard with family and often people dont know how to deal with family in this way - so well done!!!!!:)

If you are really worried...tell P@H - and ask what their procedure is with reclaiming back animals....
They may not do anything but worth a try.....

Dont feel bad.....at least youve spoken up on behalf of the bunnies....and if she gets angry then ask her why! Free advice for new pets should be welcome.....plus a reminder that bunnies are free-roaming and a cage where they cant run & jump is not adequate - why does she think it is?

She may get mad gain....but it will make her think!
Honestly - a pet for a 2 & 4 years old! So stupid!
And 2 un-neutered males that arent related.......!:evil:
Are you able to keep an eye on them?
That way you can do the RSPCA or that kinda route if need be....

Well done for saying something!;)

PS Its not about age - its about being open-minded and considerate to the needs of those that dont have a choice!

bambi2906
26-03-2010, 08:49 PM
i know i was so mad i didnt want to over step the mark as it is family but i was livid so i had to get my mum to proof read what i was writing so it didnt seem to harsh.
im really concered about the hutch though (i posted a link on a previous post) its got a run underneath so shes not going to attach a run onto it. i cant see it being out a lot either as she has 3 boys ( 4, 2 and new born) ashe has a dog and she forgot to shut his door the other day and it got through to next door so there garden is not safe.
as much as i dont want to go round cause i will be so mad. i said id go round tomo to see the new bunny so will check on the housing situation then. i just hope she puts a lot of hay in as they were pet shop bunnies so not use to the cold night :evil:

TeflonsShadow
26-03-2010, 08:56 PM
My half sisters other half is the same, so blinking annoying! :( They have two buns in TINY hutches, not together and a HUGE 2 ft x 2 ft x 1 ft run.... loads of space to run in. I hate some people. Shes the one that was rude about my bday pressie off my OH (bunnies photo shoot) and has now deleted me on FB, YAY, but sad because now I wont know how my nephew is getting on but at the end of the day, my bunnies are my babies and I dont give a poo about her.... *sigh*

bambi2906
26-03-2010, 09:01 PM
yea i read the thread about the photoshoot which i thought was amazing i try to take photos of mine but they would be so much better with an actual professional.
it makes me so mad because people are so small minded when it comes to animals even my mum and dad call me a crazy bunny lady because i spend so much time with them (i will admit i prefer there company to other humans) but i know they are only joking.
i will have to keep in touch with her as i want to keep an eye on the bunnies and hint that if she needs help with the bonding and if they fight i will be there to help

stargrrlclaire
26-03-2010, 09:01 PM
thanks
i just feel really hurt i wasnt be a know it all i was generally trying to help ive seen the cage shes brought and theres no way two is going to fit in it.
http://www.petsathome.com/shop/ranch-120-rabbit-hutch-by-ferplast-27551
her first bunny is beautiful so tame and to know its going to be stuck in there makes me mad :censored:
its also the names they called me its just not right to be horrible to someone who is trying to help :evil:

omg, my hubby even looked at that hutch and said he wouldn't even put one of our guinea pigs in it, let alone two rabbits!

stargrrlclaire
26-03-2010, 09:03 PM
My half sisters other half is the same, so blinking annoying! :( They have two buns in TINY hutches, not together and a HUGE 2 ft x 2 ft x 1 ft run.... loads of space to run in. I hate some people. Shes the one that was rude about my bday pressie off my OH (bunnies photo shoot) and has now deleted me on FB, YAY, but sad because now I wont know how my nephew is getting on but at the end of the day, my bunnies are my babies and I dont give a poo about her.... *sigh*

that's the single most amazing birthday present i've ever heard of. Something to treasure always.

bambi2906
26-03-2010, 09:07 PM
yep and from what i can tell they wont be the smallest of bunnies i dont know what breed they are but to me they look they will grow big if that makes sense. the one ive seen has really big body and long ears which drag on the floor when he runs. its underweight atm but its nearly bigger then mine and its only a baby atm

TeflonsShadow
26-03-2010, 09:10 PM
that's the single most amazing birthday present i've ever heard of. Something to treasure always.

I know, I love it :love:

w1lll
26-03-2010, 11:11 PM
thanks
i just feel really hurt i wasnt be a know it all i was generally trying to help ive seen the cage shes brought and theres no way two is going to fit in it.
http://www.petsathome.com/shop/ranch-120-rabbit-hutch-by-ferplast-27551
her first bunny is beautiful so tame and to know its going to be stuck in there makes me mad :censored:
its also the names they called me its just not right to be horrible to someone who is trying to help :evil:

It looks like a lab cage :evil:

Becca24
27-03-2010, 12:16 AM
My nearly 2 year old has just been bought a bunny for easter by her auntie and uncle.................. so they think, its really for me! hehe

Yes it is a baby, from a breeder I can hear some of you tutting already and he will be a single bunny (at the moment) and yes he will live in the garden. BUT I have kept rabbits since I was a child, I do want my daughter to grow up to love and respect rabbits and obviously at her age she can no way look after a bunny but she can have a coach perhaps hand feed a little big of veg etc and hopefully he will bond with her and me.

Anyway sorry for going on what I wanted to say was, is the Ferplast Ranch 140 really that bad as I was considering this for our new bun, although my husband has just told me that 140 cm is not quite 5 foot I thought it was nearer 6ft, oops! Scrap that idea then. I did think the idea was good, with the tray, not so much the ramp to the lower ground though! If you do look at your aunties hutch would be interested to know what the actual design is like as does sound quite good but pity dont make nearer 6ft.

I think this bun is gonna be big going by the size of mum!!

http://www.petscorner.co.uk/small-animal/hutches/fab-jumbo-hutch
(http://www.petscorner.co.uk/small-animal/hutches/fab-jumbo-hutch)

This is the other hutch I was considering, would be good to know what people think!!

areia
27-03-2010, 12:21 AM
wow another case of parent buys kids pets that cant wipe there own bums properly and yet are responsible to have a pet great just great,

your aunt is older so she will obviously know best, your not going to win im afraid hun :(

areia
27-03-2010, 12:28 AM
I think this bun is gonna be big going by the size of mum!!

http://www.petscorner.co.uk/small-animal/hutches/fab-jumbo-hutch
(http://www.petscorner.co.uk/small-animal/hutches/fab-jumbo-hutch)

This is the other hutch I was considering, would be good to know what people think!!

as you are buying from a breeder you should be told the breed ?? which will give you a an idea on the size the bun could grow too

180 is 6 ft :)

to be honest as large as you can afford single bun 5 x 2 x2 dbl hutch with run attached would be nice, for small to medium breeds

large and giants your better off with a shed, wendy house with attached run, thisway can work out cheaper than buying a huge hutch personally i feel there isnt really anything suitable on the market for large giant breeds

Becca24
27-03-2010, 12:38 AM
as you are buying from a breeder you should be told the breed ?? which will give you a an idea on the size the bun could grow too

180 is 6 ft :)

to be honest as large as you can afford single bun 5 x 2 x2 dbl hutch with run attached would be nice, for small to medium breeds

large and giants your better off with a shed, wendy house with attached run, thisway can work out cheaper than buying a huge hutch personally i feel there isnt really anything suitable on the market for large giant breeds

I was told he is a mini lop, and although dad looks like a mini lop, mum looks more dwarf to me. I suppose with the amount of cross breeding that is done these days you never can be too sure and now with people trying to breed a micro lop of all things!

My daughter has a playhouse and I dont think she would be too keen to give it up to bun just yet, still has too many tea parties to hold, lol! Not sure we would fit another one but might be able to in the future with a move around.

The hutch that I put the link on for also has a run which you buy separately then attach on to the front the size for that is L 150cm, W750cm and H750cm. Do you think this would be suitable set up for one bun. If i feel the attention from us is not enough for him and I feel he is lonely then I will try bond with spayed female but I havent had very good experiences with bonding so a bit wary at the moment!

Lillian
27-03-2010, 12:40 AM
I have a family member who left their rabbit to slowly, painfully die from myxomatosis because they couldn't be bothered to take it to the vet. Then a few weeks ago they went to P@H and bought another baby rabbit :cry:

It's one thing when strangers do that, but when it's your own family it hurts so much more.

areia
27-03-2010, 12:48 AM
I was told he is a mini lop, and although dad looks like a mini lop, mum looks more dwarf to me. I suppose with the amount of cross breeding that is done these days you never can be too sure and now with people trying to breed a micro lop of all things!

My daughter has a playhouse and I dont think she would be too keen to give it up to bun just yet, still has too many tea parties to hold, lol! Not sure we would fit another one but might be able to in the future with a move around.

The hutch that I put the link on for also has a run which you buy separately then attach on to the front the size for that is L 150cm, W750cm and H750cm. Do you think this would be suitable set up for one bun. If i feel the attention from us is not enough for him and I feel he is lonely then I will try bond with spayed female but I havent had very good experiences with bonding so a bit wary at the moment!

for 2 buns id really look into 6x2x2 with run gives chance to grow, and space to move, there are quite alot of deal online Pets at home hutches are not really sturdy for the price you are paying to be honest there are cheaper out there :)

as for bonding both buns are best neutered as soon as sexually mature 12 weeks for boys girl bit longer, though best to ring round vets as girl have more delicate parts vets often prefere to wait and if you have a small breed possiably longer as weight will be taken into consideration,


a rescue is often a better idea, most offer bonding, alot of rescues neuter there buns before rehomeing, this will incure a higher fee but often its less than buying the rabbit and getting it neutered and vax seperate at the vets, plus they would of had time to get to know the buns characteristics, as bonding is often done this way not by size age or breed, and if any problems they have will most like have been noted too, :)

Becca24
27-03-2010, 12:56 AM
for 2 buns id really look into 6x2x2 with run gives chance to grow, and space to move, there are quite alot of deal online Pets at home hutches are not really sturdy for the price you are paying to be honest there are cheaper out there :)

as for bonding both buns are best neutered as soon as sexually mature 12 weeks for boys girl bit longer, though best to ring round vets as girl have more delicate parts vets often prefere to wait and if you have a small breed possiably longer as weight will be taken into consideration,


a rescue is often a better idea, most offer bonding, alot of rescues neuter there buns before rehomeing, this will incure a higher fee but often its less than buying the rabbit and getting it neutered and vax seperate at the vets, plus they would of had time to get to know the buns characteristics, as bonding is often done this way not by size age or breed, and if any problems they have will most like have been noted too, :)

I am certainly planning on neutering bun (really should start calling him by his name) Pip as soon as he is ready and then if we do bond him it will be with a female from rescue centre, as far as I am aware though we don't have many rescue centrse near me, there is only the RSPCA so hopefully they will be able to help, but I am going try him on his own for a while with plenty of toys, exercise and love and affection from us. I appreciate this isnt ideal but just going by my previous experience would like to give this a go as would really like to bond him with me first!

areia
27-03-2010, 01:09 AM
I am certainly planning on neutering bun (really should start calling him by his name) Pip as soon as he is ready and then if we do bond him it will be with a female from rescue centre, as far as I am aware though we don't have many rescue centrse near me, there is only the RSPCA so hopefully they will be able to help, but I am going try him on his own for a while with plenty of toys, exercise and love and affection from us. I appreciate this isnt ideal but just going by my previous experience would like to give this a go as would really like to bond him with me first!

no thats fine its often better to let hormones settle after a deplumming, before getting a partner so this can take 6 to 8 weeks to be safe, im sure there are some rescues in your area,
if not do you or your hubby drive at all ?there may be one on the outskirts, for the right home rescues will sometimes offer a bunny run,:) Id offer to do the bonding but im bit far from you to travel, I understand how nerve wracking bonding can be, ive bonded other peoples, just not my own got someone else to do it for me :lol: but there are few of use here who offer step by step guides to bonding, mainly as stress and panic relievers, more than anything:lol: had a phone calls of worry and hair pulling :lol:

once you have your bun and got him sorted and settled when your ready have a look at rabbit rehome too start in your area then work out a bit until you find a rescue,

Becca24
27-03-2010, 01:26 AM
no thats fine its often better to let hormones settle after a deplumming, before getting a partner so this can take 6 to 8 weeks to be safe, im sure there are some rescues in your area,
if not do you or your hubby drive at all ?there may be one on the outskirts, for the right home rescues will sometimes offer a bunny run,:) Id offer to do the bonding but im bit far from you to travel, I understand how nerve wracking bonding can be, ive bonded other peoples, just not my own got someone else to do it for me :lol: but there are few of use here who offer step by step guides to bonding, mainly as stress and panic relievers, more than anything:lol: had a phone calls of worry and hair pulling :lol:

once you have your bun and got him sorted and settled when your ready have a look at rabbit rehome too start in your area then work out a bit until you find a rescue,

Thanks! Will google rescue centre and see what I can find.

I am really looking forward to having a bun again. I had a bonded male and female 2 1/2 years ago, my girl didnt like me much though was very jealous of me going near her husbun, which was her brother! I had a difficult pregnancy and couldnt do what needed to be done fully with them so they were looked after by a friend for a while supposedly till I had my baby but after I had my baby my friends children loved having harley and honey and they seemed really happy too so I thought perhaps I should leave them where they were, which was hard but I did have newborn to look after so thought maybe for the best. Honey unfortunately died last year, which made me feel very guilty but Harley still good and well! Bless him!

So easing myself in again after the break but really excited missed bunny cuddles, not that I got many if honey had anything to do with it! lol

So trying to get as much advice and info before Pip arrives.

areia
27-03-2010, 01:52 AM
to be fair i dont have much luck with females, one is very terrorial of her hutch and will lunge growl and bite,( my 11 year old has two loverly scars as do i ) my other lil girl is timid around new people and with thump and run off, and my other girl just has the im grumpy older ill do what i like attitude, :lol: wouldnt change them for the world though as its who they are and however they are with me they love their husbuns :D

so do beware while every effort is made in a rescue, or anywhere to be honest and sudden change of environment and very young child that we know (through no fault sometimes of their own) can be over excitable and cause some buns to react in differant ways no matter what age young or old, its not easy to train a child to sit still on the floor and not be tempted to lunge and grab to pick up something cute and fluffy, took me ages to make my son understand that you have to be patiant he has aspie so its taken a long while.

so while you may have one freindly bun you may find the other while a great companion for your bun, isnt as nice or is scared more of you, time and understanding goes a long way, but as you say you want to have time with just one first :) you will be fine

w1lll
27-03-2010, 08:09 AM
I was told he is a mini lop, and although dad looks like a mini lop, mum looks more dwarf to me. I suppose with the amount of cross breeding that is done these days you never can be too sure and now with people trying to breed a micro lop of all things!

My daughter has a playhouse and I dont think she would be too keen to give it up to bun just yet, still has too many tea parties to hold, lol! Not sure we would fit another one but might be able to in the future with a move around.

The hutch that I put the link on for also has a run which you buy separately then attach on to the front the size for that is L 150cm, W750cm and H750cm. Do you think this would be suitable set up for one bun. If i feel the attention from us is not enough for him and I feel he is lonely then I will try bond with spayed female but I havent had very good experiences with bonding so a bit wary at the moment!

would it be possible to cancel your purchase of the bun from the breeder and get a bonded pair from a rescue instead?

Oh, and the 6ft version of this hutch is quite good http://www.happyhutch.co.uk/details.php?product=70

bambi2906
27-03-2010, 09:17 AM
hi becca :wave:
just caught up on the posts. i dont think the hutch is to bad ive seen it in p@h and for a small breed which will have ann attached run or a lot of free range then it would be okay but she wants to put two un related un neuetered males in with no run thats what im so annoyed about the hutch for and when i tried to help her she just gave me insults.
however personally if you are only getting one atm and then going to get another in a near future i would deffo get a bigger hutch as two would not fit in the ferplast one so it would save you money in the long run. :D

Becca24
27-03-2010, 09:45 AM
hi becca :wave:
just caught up on the posts. i dont think the hutch is to bad ive seen it in p@h and for a small breed which will have ann attached run or a lot of free range then it would be okay but she wants to put two un related un neuetered males in with no run thats what im so annoyed about the hutch for and when i tried to help her she just gave me insults.
however personally if you are only getting one atm and then going to get another in a near future i would deffo get a bigger hutch as two would not fit in the ferplast one so it would save you money in the long run. :D

I cant believe that someone who has kept rabbits before would put two unneutered male rabbits together, they are obviously going to fight at some point, and even if they are neutered they still might not get on, very stupid and not going to be very nice for a 4 and 2 year old to witness either!

I keep looking at hutches online and I see one I like, but the size isnt right or I find one thats a good size but the not sure on quality, its hard looking online I like to see things in flesh or wood.lol

http://www.the-rabbit-hutch-shop.com/natura-giant-rabbit-hutch-and-run-tr62322.html

http://www.the-rabbit-hutch-shop.com/natura-giant-rabbit-hutch-and-run-tr62322.html

I found this one and thought brill itss called giant that will be good but only 4ft ish wide how can they call it a giant hutch!!

Someone gave me a link to one earlier on here so going to take a look at that one now!

Oh yeah, what breed are the two rabbits your auntie is putting together?? you said you thought were going to be big!

bambi2906
27-03-2010, 09:57 AM
:wave:
yeah she has kept rabbits before they had babies and she ended up with 7 which all died one winter.
well im guessing before long they will be put in the back of the garden when the boys get fed up :cry: when she had her 7 she was trying to give me them so she didnt really want them. :evil:

i know pet shops are stupid they advertise as a huge rabbit hutch and its usually 4ft. not sure if anyone has recommened it but have you thought about a shed im looking for a new one for my bunnies and homebase and bnq have got 15% off atm.

im spectualting on the size as they were p@h so your guess is as good as mine. when i was younger mum and dad got my first rabbit from them and it grew huge after them telling them it would be a small bunny. howver the one rabbit i have seen is underweight atm ( not sure on age but it was p@h new stock so it must have just left its mum) is nearly as big as mine which 9 months old. its ears flop on the floor when it hops which makes me think its some sort of lop