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angeleyes
14-03-2010, 10:15 PM
She hasn't been 'right' for a few weeks since I thought she had a fit, vets said there was nothing wrong with her and nothing they could do.

I don't know what is going on, the last few days she has had trouble jumping in and out of the litter tray, she does it but wobbles with it if that makes sense so I have lifted her out a few times and she has scooted off.

Today though she is really wobbly all over, she came over for treats but fell over on the way, she did however get up and carry on over to me and nommed all the treats, and she is nomming her vegs now.

I don't know what to do, I will be taking her to my best rabbit vet tomorrow, I don't know if its just old age or could she have had a stroke or something similar.

Also could she live like this? Is it a good quality of life? Her eyes are bright and she has life in her and nomming like mad just her mobility seems to be going down hill :?

Anyone had anything similar?

hurricanhoney
14-03-2010, 10:16 PM
Poor Maddie I do hope its nothing serious fingers crossed for you.

halfpenny
14-03-2010, 10:28 PM
I can't really talk for rabbits, but if she is bright and eating well and comfortable I would keep her going. You will know if she is unhappy or distressed, if she isn't why should you be.:)
Our Mustard was blind and unsteady on his feet, I asked the vet if he thought we were being cruel to keep him going and he thought not. Even at the end, he said he felt Mustard had a good quality of life and he would have told us otherwise, but at that point it was time to call it a day. I believed him because he is a friend.

Becky86
14-03-2010, 10:50 PM
Ive no advice hun just wanted to send vibes for it being nothing bad :( xXx

angeleyes
14-03-2010, 10:53 PM
Thanks guys xxx

Becki xX
14-03-2010, 11:21 PM
Oh No :cry: I can't believe that, How old is she? You must be really worried, Big Hugs X

halfpenny
15-03-2010, 08:00 AM
Is she an older bun, do you know if she has arthritis- perhaps if she does you might find acupuncture or metacam may help.

Jack's-Jane
15-03-2010, 08:09 AM
Sounds like she *might* have an arthritic problem in her spine.

Sending vibes for her xx

RubyTed
15-03-2010, 08:27 AM
Poor Maddie! Hope she makes a full recovery!! "healthy back" vibes binkying her way!!

If she's bright and alert then I'd keep her comfortable, and just keep an eye on her.

angeleyes
15-03-2010, 09:35 AM
We are not sure how old Maddie is but vets think around 5 years.

Its heartbreaking to watch her like this, she was really excited to see me this morning that she jumped out of her tray to fast and fell on her side then on her back and couldn't get up :cry: :cry:

I have vets at 10.30 and will mention the arthritis thanks guys xx

giantbunnymummy
15-03-2010, 10:51 AM
Poor Maddie :(

Sending millions of vibes for her.

angeleyes
15-03-2010, 11:46 AM
Back from vets and C is convinced its a brain tumor :cry: :cry:
Maddie is really disorientated, cannot stand keeps falling over but is bright within herself.
Her ears are clear and its not arthritus, She is 99% sure its not EC as she has been treated with panacur before and the symptoms don't fit.
Having a tumor also fits in with the fact I saw her fitting a few weeks ago.

She has had a shot of steroid and baytril and I am to see how she goes over the next 48 hours and I have to call vets Wednesday morning and we will decide how we go from there, but theres not really much we can do :cry: :cry:

I have just been to PAH and spent a fortune on vetbed and covered most of their shed with it to cushion her if she falls, I can't bring her inside because of Lionel and Lolly (and the cat!), anyone else have any suggestions on how i can make it more comfortable and safe for her?

bunny mad lisa
15-03-2010, 11:49 AM
so sorry to hear your news. i hope the steroids help her feel brighter.

Hugo's There
15-03-2010, 11:50 AM
I am so sorry Katie :(:( I had an awful feeling it would be as it sounded very much like Dumpling :(:(

I hope you are able to keep her comfortable for a little while longer xxx

Jack's-Jane
15-03-2010, 11:52 AM
Oh Katie I am sorry to hear this :cry:

I do hope that the steroid will help Maddie feel more comfortable xx

giantbunnymummy
15-03-2010, 11:52 AM
I'm so very sorry Katie :cry:

KarenM
15-03-2010, 12:03 PM
I've only just seen this, I'm so sorry Katie. :(:( Hopefully the steroid will help. Sending lots of vibes for Maddie. xx

areia
15-03-2010, 12:05 PM
hugs to you, and nose rubs to wee maddie bless her :(

RubyTed
15-03-2010, 12:07 PM
All the vibes we can muster for poor little Maddie. Glad she's still bright.

angeleyes
15-03-2010, 12:09 PM
I am so sorry Katie :(:( I had an awful feeling it would be as it sounded very much like Dumpling :(:(

I hope you are able to keep her comfortable for a little while longer xxx

I thought about Dumpling too Liz :cry: :cry:

I don't know what to do for the best, wether she should be PTS or not? She is just like Dumpling bright enough in herself, wants to try and play and come see you and is eating, she was giving C lots of cuddles as well :love: :love:

I knew March wouldn't pass without me losing someone, but in all honesty I never thought it would be Maddie :cry: :cry:

Hugo's There
15-03-2010, 12:11 PM
I thought about Dumpling too Liz :cry: :cry:

I don't know what to do for the best, wether she should be PTS or not? She is just like Dumpling bright enough in herself, wants to try and play and come see you and is eating, she was giving C lots of cuddles as well :love: :love:

I knew March wouldn't pass without me losing someone, but in all honesty I never thought it would be Maddie :cry: :cry:

Dumpling got a clean bill of health 4 days before she was pts, it is so hard with brain disorders to know what to do :(

If the fits become frequent or violent then I would think about her quality of life :(:( I am so sorry Katie, I know this is the last thing you need :cry:

donnamt
15-03-2010, 12:18 PM
:cry::cry::cry::cry: im sorry

CazScho
15-03-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm so sorry Katie, no experience of this so can only say while you think she has quality of life, just do what you can for her. Massive hugs to you and nose rubs to Maddie xxxxx

Fairy13
15-03-2010, 01:32 PM
I'm so sorry what sad news. I hope she can be comfortable and happy for a time yet x

joey&bugys 2007
15-03-2010, 01:39 PM
I'm sorry Katie :cry:

hurricanhoney
15-03-2010, 05:27 PM
So sorry Katie.

angeleyes
15-03-2010, 08:39 PM
Well the meds don't appear to have had any effect on Maddie :cry:

Bless her she is totally oblivious to what is going on, she was lying upside down in the litter tray with her head to the side eating some hay a little while ago! I do wonder if she is in pain though :?

Bunnyaddict
15-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Oh Katie I'm so sorry :cry: I've only just seen this - I'm gutted for you hun :cry:

I've no advice I'm afraid, but I pray that meds will start to help soon & that she can remain as comfortable as possible. Sending you loads of hugs for you & snuggles for Maddie xxxx

Kermit
15-03-2010, 11:10 PM
Oh no....hugs for you and vibes for Maddie, poor wee soul xx

angeleyes
16-03-2010, 07:01 PM
The meds don't appear to have made any difference :cry: :cry:

She is quite happy sitting in her litter tray stuffed full of hay but as soon as she tries to move its hearbreaking.

I saw her have a terrible 'episode' earlier when i took special hay out, i am not sure if it was a fit or she just couldn't straight herself, I am so confused as well :cry: :cry:

giantbunnymummy
16-03-2010, 07:05 PM
Oh no, I'm sorry the meds aren't helping :(

Sending loads more vibes for Maddie.

bunny mad lisa
16-03-2010, 07:18 PM
so very sorry things aren't getting better..i wish i could offer some advice..
sending hugs xx

RubyTed
16-03-2010, 07:19 PM
Poor girlie! :(:(

How's she eating?

mini lop1
16-03-2010, 07:20 PM
i am soo sorry to hear this :cry: my rosie has a brain tumour and has at times worried me soo much, i know how upsetting it can be seeing them fit etc

halfpenny
16-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Sorry it turned out to be something like this.:(

angeleyes
16-03-2010, 07:42 PM
Poor girlie! :(:(

How's she eating?

She is eating fine thank you, she just seems to be carrying on as 'normal'

angeleyes
16-03-2010, 07:43 PM
i am soo sorry to hear this :cry: my rosie has a brain tumour and has at times worried me soo much, i know how upsetting it can be seeing them fit etc

How is Rosie in herself? Is she spaced out? Does she fall over all the time? Cannot walk?

RubyTed
16-03-2010, 07:50 PM
She is eating fine thank you, she just seems to be carrying on as 'normal'

That's a saving grace! She must be happy, and comfortable if she's eating well. You're doing all you can! She's a very lucky bunny!! :love:

angeleyes
16-03-2010, 08:22 PM
That's a saving grace! She must be happy, and comfortable if she's eating well. You're doing all you can! She's a very lucky bunny!! :love:

Thank you

mini lop1
16-03-2010, 08:44 PM
How is Rosie in herself? Is she spaced out? Does she fall over all the time? Cannot walk?

she has her good and bac days, a few weeks back i had given up all hope, but then she seemed to get stronger again, she sometimes falls over alot, sometimes she is soo much better, im happy as long as she has more good days then bad, and soo we have decided between us and the vet to continue her steroid injections, which we have worked out that rosie cannot go 8days without them, overwise she shows worsening signs, she also has baytril medicine twice daily

but her co-ordination lately has been soo much better then t was say in january

Hugo's There
16-03-2010, 09:11 PM
The meds don't appear to have made any difference :cry: :cry:

She is quite happy sitting in her litter tray stuffed full of hay but as soon as she tries to move its hearbreaking.

I saw her have a terrible 'episode' earlier when i took special hay out, i am not sure if it was a fit or she just couldn't straight herself, I am so confused as well :cry: :cry:

Is she able to move around at all or is she falling all the time? I am so sorry the steroid injection hasn't helped her :(

I know she is eating but if she can't get around on her own without falling I would be really concerned for her :cry::cry:

angeleyes
16-03-2010, 09:21 PM
Is she able to move around at all or is she falling all the time? I am so sorry the steroid injection hasn't helped her :(

I know she is eating but if she can't get around on her own without falling I would be really concerned for her :cry::cry:

She is moving around sometimes, she just jumped out of the basket on her own and came over for her dinner, she was sort of lop sided but didn't fall this time.

Its such a worry i really don't know what to do, I will talk to C in the morning :cry: :cry: :cry:

gillmanning
16-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Hi Katie - I'm really sorry I've only just seen this. Poor little Maddie :(. I hope she has a good night, it must be such a worry for you. Hope the vets have some advice in the morning. Take care x

Hugo's There
16-03-2010, 09:32 PM
I can't give you advice as I haven't seen her, but my concern would be that as it is probably being caused by a tumour that can't be treated the only thing that can happen is that she continues to deteriorate which wont be nice for her or you :(

I hope Christobel is able to offer some good advice tomorrow, it is so awful when you don't know what to do for the best :cry:

W are thinking of you all xx

Jack's-Jane
16-03-2010, 09:40 PM
I am sorry that Maddie is not doing well Katie :cry:

Buuny_Friend
16-03-2010, 09:43 PM
I am thinking of you Katie...can't begin to imagine what you must be going through :( xxx

angeleyes
17-03-2010, 01:57 PM
I really need help guys, I don't know what to do :cry: :cry:

C (vet) doesn't know what to do either, she has told me to monitor her for the next 24 hours and if the steroid helps then great if not then i don't know :?

She is pretty much the same, sometimes walking ok, sometimes falling over when she walks and can't get up, sometimes I think she is fitting although could just be strugggling to get up.

C is convinced its brain tumor but how can you really be sure? If i were to have her PTS and then had a pm done which found nothign wrong with her i would be devestated that we had that done for no reason :cry: :cry:

Buuny_Friend
17-03-2010, 01:58 PM
I really need help guys, I don't know what to do :cry: :cry:

C (vet) doesn't know what to do either, she has told me to monitor her for the next 24 hours and if the steroid helps then great if not then i don't know :?

She is pretty much the same, sometimes walking ok, sometimes falling over when she walks and can't get up, sometimes I think she is fitting although could just be strugggling to get up.

C is convinced its brain tumor but how can you really be sure? If i were to have her PTS and then had a pm done which found nothign wrong with her i would be devestated that we had that done for no reason :cry: :cry:

Katie, I am so sorry :(

Did C mention the possibility of referring her to a specialist or something at all? x

Jack's-Jane
17-03-2010, 02:01 PM
What about a conscious skull Xray if Maddie could cope with that ?

This might sound like a stupid question but is Maddie a Dental Bun ?

If so I wonder if elongated tooth roots have lead to abscessation effecting the brain ?

Would aggressive Depocillin therapy be worth a go :?

angeleyes
17-03-2010, 02:05 PM
What about a conscious skull Xray if Maddie could cope with that ?

This might sound like a stupid question but is Maddie a Dental Bun ?

If so I wonder if elongated tooth roots have lead to abscessation effecting the brain ?

Would aggressive Depocillin therapy be worth a go :?

Thats Jane, I will ask about X rays.
Maddie has had 2 dentals, one each year with me for small spurs so could be to do with tooth roots which i guess will also show up on the x ray?

parsnipbun
17-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Would a conscious Scan help (or would it just show same as x-ray?)? Advantage could be that it is conscious .

Gemmapookie
17-03-2010, 02:10 PM
Hi Katie I'm so sorry for you and for Maddie :(
Is there any way they can do a scan or something on her brain? Then you'd know for sure what you are dealing with and beable to make an informed decision on how to proceed. It must be auwful having to make decisions without really knowing for certain whats going on, loadsa big hugs to you.

Atleast while shes eating normally you know that she's probably not in much pain. It sounds like you know her really well and will know when she's not happy, and are doing everything you can to keep her comfortable.

Wishing you loads of good luck and loads of nose rubs for Maddie

xxx

Jack's-Jane
17-03-2010, 02:27 PM
Would a conscious Scan help (or would it just show same as x-ray?)? Advantage could be that it is conscious .

It'd have to be a CT scan wouldn't it as I dont think U/S penetrates bone :?

AFAIK only specialist referal centres are likely to have CT access :?

Gemmapookie
17-03-2010, 02:32 PM
It'd have to be a CT scan wouldn't it as I dont think U/S penetrates bone :?

AFAIK only specialist referal centres are likely to have CT access :?

:(

xxxx

angeleyes
17-03-2010, 07:20 PM
I spoke to C again earlier and she has ruled out xrays as you won't be able to see through the skull obviously so she thinks it is pointless.

She said the only possibility would be an MRI scan which will cost hundreds of pounds and she would have to find somewhere willing to do one on a rabbit so thats a no go as well really.

I said about letting her go to soon and then having a pm and finding there was nothing wrong but she doesn't feel a pm would be neccesary or show us anything as they don't cut open the skull to look at the brain, she is convinced that it is a tumor.

On the plus side I have just been outside with her for an hour and whilst she is unsteady on her feet she did not fall over at all and she moved around a fair bit. Maybe the steroids do take longer to work than first thought, I know with Lionel I didn't think they were helping at first but the certainly are now.

So I have decided for the time being she will stay with us, she is not ready to go yet and I am not ready to give up the fight.

Thanks for all your support and suggestions xxx

donnamt
17-03-2010, 07:22 PM
:cry::cry::cry: you must be heartbroke xxxxx

Gemmapookie
17-03-2010, 07:40 PM
Glad she seemed OK when you took her outside for a play. If shes getting around like that it sounds like her quality of life is good for the time being atleast :) I guess its a waiting game now :( I really feel for you and of course her and will be sending healing vibes your way.
Just a thought, Ive been on steroids myself and they do take a few days to kick in, but when they do...woah! I'm not sure if its the same with rabbits as with humans but dont be surprised if she's a little livelier and even edgier than usual or if she starts putting on weight (if shes on them for a long time.) Steroids do crazy things to you ;)
Hugs to you and nose rubs to your brave bun xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

KarenM
17-03-2010, 07:42 PM
Thinking of you and Maddie. xxx

angeleyes
17-03-2010, 07:47 PM
Glad she seemed OK when you took her outside for a play. If shes getting around like that it sounds like her quality of life is good for the time being atleast :) I guess its a waiting game now :( I really feel for you and of course her and will be sending healing vibes your way.
Just a thought, Ive been on steroids myself and they do take a few days to kick in, but when they do...woah! I'm not sure if its the same with rabbits as with humans but dont be surprised if she's a little livelier and even edgier than usual or if she starts putting on weight (if shes on them for a long time.) Steroids do crazy things to you ;)
Hugs to you and nose rubs to your brave bun xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you for your kind words, I have another bun on steroids and he goes mental for a few days when they really hit in so I am guessing its going to be a rollercoaster for Maddie too if we keep her on them x

angeleyes
17-03-2010, 07:47 PM
:cry::cry::cry: you must be heartbroke xxxxx

I am hun, I must be some kind of wicked to have 2 poorly buns like this :cry: :cry:

donnamt
17-03-2010, 07:49 PM
I am hun, I must be some kind of wicked to have 2 poorly buns like this :cry: :cry:

your having my woe is me day then :cry::cry::cry:

or instead of some kind of wicked your the angel they seek to make thier final weeks/months excellent ones xxxx

KarenM
17-03-2010, 07:49 PM
I am hun, I must be some kind of wicked to have 2 poorly buns like this :cry: :cry:

Nooooooo, don't ever think like that. You're just desperately unlucky. :(:(:(

Bunnyaddict
17-03-2010, 08:33 PM
Oh Katie hun I'm so sorry :cry: Life is just so unfair & incredibly cruel sometimes :cry::cry::cry:

Big hugs to you & extra special snuggles for little Maddie xxx

antigone
17-03-2010, 08:57 PM
Thinking of you and Maddie xx
You are not 'wicked' and you know it. Life can be a :censored: sometimes.:(