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kaths101
11-02-2010, 06:27 PM
:wave: ok I have finally decided on a shed/run to house my buns in the spring - all currently indoors!
This is the area im working with - taken on my birthday in the summer :D (The concrete bit at the back)

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad350/kaths101/GEDC0017.jpg

It measure 7 x 13 ft. I think I would like to put 4 buns out there - its just how i do it???? helllp - I have thought a 7x5 shed with double doors in corner of the garden
like this
http://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co.uk/Wooden-Sheds/BillyOh-Lincoln-Tongue-and-Groove-Apex-8-x-6

Ideally 4 together (my 3 plus 1 rescue girlie - rescue to bond ;)) so they will have the 7 x 5 shed plus permenant access via cat flap to the 7 x 8 run.
If 4 dont bond (my 3 plus 1) then 2 pairs - so split the shed in half so they both have 7 x 2.5ft shed with levels and half the run space 8 x 3.5 run via cat flap - the only problem is getting the pair on the other side of the shed into their run? maybe I could make a covered tunnel along the back?

Ive just measured up and taken this pic in the rain and fog :roll: - No sun here today!! so you can have an idea what Im talking about... outlines in wood!

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad350/kaths101/CIMG1594-1.jpg

What do you think any other ideas?? - I have been pondering this for weeks -ideally I would like both pairs to have their own shed but thats not going to work - I have also looked at double 6ft hutches with runs but I really want something I can walk in and be with them! They will also have free-range time when I have time to be in the garden with them!! Which will be alot through the summer..Thanks for reading this far :oops::lol:

VikkiVet
11-02-2010, 06:32 PM
First option sounds fine

second option - if you put the run sideways i.e. the long side of the run against the longside of the shed, you could split the shed and have a catflap and run each side?

Or put the second run out onto the grass so forming an L shape with the shed as the corner of the L (not quite sure how the doors work in that example....)

But sounds big enough etc for 4 together too! ;)

Bungle bunny
11-02-2010, 06:43 PM
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae150/Bungle01/P1010595.jpg?t=1262539251

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae150/Bungle01/P1010588.jpg?t=1262541628

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae150/Bungle01/th_23112009685.jpg

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae150/Bungle01/th_23112009686.jpg

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae150/Bungle01/th_23112009703.jpg

These are the pics of Bungle Palace. the 2 tiers in the shed and run allow us to double the space, the shed is 8 x 10 and we have to separate pairs living in there, one up, one down. with shares on the garden.

Hope you like it and it helps you

Angela

kaths101
11-02-2010, 06:55 PM
First option sounds fine

second option - if you put the run sideways i.e. the long side of the run against the longside of the shed, you could split the shed and have a catflap and run each side?

Or put the second run out onto the grass so forming an L shape with the shed as the corner of the L (not quite sure how the doors work in that example....)

But sounds big enough etc for 4 together too! ;)

second option - Yes i will have 2 cat flaps for each to get in their runs but I dont understand about having it long ways?

kaths101
11-02-2010, 06:59 PM
BungleBunny - I cant really make it out from the picture - So have you split your shed like bunk beds?? and youve got one run on top of the other??

lottielouise
11-02-2010, 07:03 PM
I have a dog kennel.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu232/Louise_1981/set%20up/setup003.jpg

VikkiVet
11-02-2010, 07:06 PM
second option - Yes i will have 2 cat flaps for each to get in their runs but I dont understand about having it long ways?

what i mean is, say the run is 6x4, rather than the run sticking out away from the shed, you put the 6ft edge against the shed, so across the concrete you have the 4 ft side, then the shed, then the other 4 ft side of the second run

Just thinking it might fit better that way. So you could split the shed down the middle, front to back, with a door each, and a run each.

Bluesmum
11-02-2010, 07:19 PM
So it is like a sandwich :wave:

kaths101
11-02-2010, 07:26 PM
so a run either side of the shed?? :oops: sorry if I am being REALLY dim, so the shed will sit in the middle of the concrete not in the corner?
I think I would prefer that if thats what you mean.. so that means the 2 pairs wouldnt be able to see each other in the run which would prob be a good thing if the 4 dont bond - Im still in 2 minds to try!

Bluesmum
11-02-2010, 07:39 PM
so a run either side of the shed?? :oops: sorry if I am being REALLY dim, so the shed will sit in the middle of the concrete not in the corner?
I think I would prefer that if thats what you mean.. so that means the 2 pairs wouldnt be able to see each other in the run which would prob be a good thing if the 4 dont bond - Im still in 2 minds to try!

:thumb:
I think thats what Vikki means...then no refferred aggression.
(thats what I tried to say with the sandwich :oops: )

Stator
11-02-2010, 08:36 PM
I think like this, just double up on all the partitions to make sure they can't see / bite each other through it.
http://www.timb0.co.uk/shedslipt.jpg
Although all the proportions are completely wrong there

Becky86
11-02-2010, 08:39 PM
so a run either side of the shed?? :oops: sorry if I am being REALLY dim, so the shed will sit in the middle of the concrete not in the corner?
I think I would prefer that if thats what you mean.. so that means the 2 pairs wouldnt be able to see each other in the run which would prob be a good thing if the 4 dont bond - Im still in 2 minds to try!

I think this would work better for 2 pairs :) Sounds fab! But then you'd have to attempt the bond before putting the shed up surely :lol: xXx

VickiP
11-02-2010, 08:45 PM
I think like this, just double up on all the partitions to make sure they can't see / bite each other through it.
http://www.timb0.co.uk/shedslipt.jpg
Although all the proportions are completely wrong there

Yes thats what I was thinking it would be worth getting a shed with windows on both sides of where the divide will be aswell so both sides have light and ventilaton when the shed door is shut. I think if your worried about them being in the run on grass you might need to lay some more slabs for the runs to go on. I think your confused because your thinking of having the shed door on the left hand side of the concreted area are you? In that case it wouldn't work- yes it would :? I'm confused now :lol:

kaths101
11-02-2010, 09:18 PM
I think this would work better for 2 pairs :) Sounds fab! But then you'd have to attempt the bond before putting the shed up surely :lol: xXx

Yes thats the problem - I can buy the shed but cant buy or sort out the runs until I know which way it will go with the bond - far easier with 4 together!..
but until i know if its a group or 2 pairs I cant have a homecheck as i wont have the whole set up and I want to get the 4th bunny from a rescue - so how will that work?? Can I sill have a homecheck even though I wont have the whole thing ready?
arrrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh

Becky86
11-02-2010, 09:23 PM
Yes thats the problem - I can buy the shed but cant buy or sort out the runs until I know which way it will go with the bond - far easier with 4 together!..
but until i know if its a group or 2 pairs I cant have a homecheck as i wont have the whole set up and I want to get the 4th bunny from a rescue - so how will that work?? Can I sill have a homecheck even though I wont have the whole thing ready?
arrrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh

Oh gosh, what a nightmare!! :lol: I suppose you could show the rescue your flat packed shed ;) Only joking!! I should think the rescue would want to see the set up :? Which would be hard for you without knowing if you were having a 4/2 pairs :?

If it were me, id stick with 2 pairs :oops: But thats because from my experience bigger groups tend to have more fallings out and arent as solid as pairs. Whos your local rescue?? :)

VickiP
11-02-2010, 09:28 PM
Oh gosh, what a nightmare!! :lol: I suppose you could show the rescue your flat packed shed ;) Only joking!! I should think the rescue would want to see the set up :? Which would be hard for you without knowing if you were having a 4/2 pairs :?

If it were me, id stick with 2 pairs :oops: But thats because from my experience bigger groups tend to have more fallings out and arent as solid as pairs. Whos your local rescue?? :)

I would go for 2 pairs initially certainly, it is going to be completely new for Oreo and Sooty anyway so they have that adjustment to make anyway and you want Charlie to bond with the new girlie and settle/bond with her yourself. If you are serious about the 4 bond do it later on when they are all chilled out but, then it might be better to send them off for bonding which will give you time to neutralise their housing ready for their return?

kaths101
11-02-2010, 09:45 PM
Yes thats what I was thinking it would be worth getting a shed with windows on both sides of where the divide will be aswell so both sides have light and ventilaton when the shed door is shut. I think if your worried about them being in the run on grass you might need to lay some more slabs for the runs to go on. I think your confused because your thinking of having the shed door on the left hand side of the concreted area are you? In that case it wouldn't work- yes it would :? I'm confused now :lol:

Im really confused.... Yes I was going to look at getting the windows both sides - do you think the company would do that?? Its only the case of 2 panals the same - I know I will have to pay more though. The run wont be on the grass?? The shed will be facing the front, I would like it all to be face fronting as I can see them from my kitchen window.. wont it look a bit stange with a shed stuck in the middle of the patio??? its big anyway - i thought I could keep it tucked away in the corner :?

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad350/kaths101/shedplan2.jpg

kaths101
11-02-2010, 09:54 PM
Oh gosh, what a nightmare!! :lol: I suppose you could show the rescue your flat packed shed ;) Only joking!! I should think the rescue would want to see the set up :? Which would be hard for you without knowing if you were having a 4/2 pairs :?

If it were me, id stick with 2 pairs :oops: But thats because from my experience bigger groups tend to have more fallings out and arent as solid as pairs. Whos your local rescue?? :)

yes I think I had better build it with 2 pairs in mind, and go from there! I havent got a local rescue :cry::cry::cry: everyone is at least 2 hours away, and I would want them to bond charlie for me, i dont mind what girl he chooses - I have my eye on Dixie :love: and Rosie :love: from you at Walsall -but whether charlie agrees - who knows?? :lol:
but you dont bond do you?? or else there is Honeybunnies, Fat Fluffs or BARC...I think Honeybunnies is closest. (they have had some lovely dutch girls in today! :love::love:) I really dont mind who he has as long as he has someone to snuggle up to! Im really not keen in risking Sooty and Oreos bond as well as they are very very snuggley! :love:

Becky86
11-02-2010, 09:54 PM
Both of those drawings could work well :) I agree, if it were me id want the shed in the corner :oops: Our sheds are both in corners of the garden :oops: seems to look neater like that.

Only thing is, you'd need to put something inbetween the runs to stop them seeing each other? Suppose you could use ply or something with mesh either side

Becky86
11-02-2010, 09:57 PM
yes I think I had better build it with 2 pairs in mind, and go from there! I havent got a local rescue :cry::cry::cry: everyone is at least 2 hours away, and I would want them to bond charlie for me, i dont mind what girl he chooses - I have my eye on Dixie :love: and Rosie :love: from you at Walsall -but whether charlie agrees - who knows?? :lol:
but you dont bond do you?? or else there is Honeybunnies, Fat Fluffs or BARC...I think Honeybunnies is closest. I really dont mind who he has as long as he has someone to snuggle up to! Im really not keen in risking Sooty and Oreos bond as well as they are very very snuggley! :love:

Awwwh :( I never realised you didnt have a local rescue :( We dont offer bonding no :( You could bond 2 singles yourself though, you did Sooty and Oreo ;) I guess if you did start off with 2 pairs, and you set the shed out like in your second drawing, you could always move the divide in the run when you bonded them all? To make one big run?

bluebunny
11-02-2010, 09:58 PM
Heres mine
http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=202242&highlight=runs

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=204059&highlight=runs&page=3

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=206131&highlight=cat+flaps

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=206662&highlight=runs

kaths101
11-02-2010, 10:05 PM
Awwwh :( I never realised you didnt have a local rescue :( We dont offer bonding no :( You could bond 2 singles yourself though, you did Sooty and Oreo ;) I guess if you did start off with 2 pairs, and you set the shed out like in your second drawing, you could always move the divide in the run when you bonded them all? To make one big run?

Im not sure on doing it myself again - i only had confidence in my 2 as they had been side by side for months and used to snuggle and lick through the bars... I also wouldnt be able to re-home if he didnt bond so dont want to get a bun home and not be able to keep her as I would be attached by then..
Honeybunnies have had some lovely dutches in today Ive got my eye on as well - they are gorgeous :love: and there are 4 there for him to pick from :lol::lol:

Yes I think thats a good idea with the runs as all this is going to cost me quite a bit and i dont want to get it wrong. Once in pairs though I prob wont risk bonding into a 4 - i would either do the 4 from the start or just go for 2 pairs and keep it that way! i would just put ply inbetween each partition - that is all that is seperating the 3 now and they are fine. The only prob with the 2nd run at the back is I wont be able to see the buns from the kitchen :cry: Will I be able to move the shed once its built?? :?
Who would have thought it was this complicated :roll:

kaths101
11-02-2010, 10:10 PM
Heres mine
http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=202242&highlight=runs

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=204059&highlight=runs&page=3

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=206131&highlight=cat+flaps

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=206662&highlight=runs

Thanks that helped alot - Does the shower curtain thing work?? that is a good idea!! and have they got the hang of the catflaps ok?

bluebunny
11-02-2010, 10:12 PM
Thanks that helped alot - Does the shower curtain thing work?? that is a good idea!! and have they got the hang of the catflaps ok?

Yep ive had to put some run panels with plant pots up againist them for when its windy,And yes they use the cat flaps within about an hour they used them:)

VikkiVet
11-02-2010, 11:57 PM
Im really confused.... Yes I was going to look at getting the windows both sides - do you think the company would do that?? Its only the case of 2 panals the same - I know I will have to pay more though. The run wont be on the grass?? The shed will be facing the front, I would like it all to be face fronting as I can see them from my kitchen window.. wont it look a bit stange with a shed stuck in the middle of the patio??? its big anyway - i thought I could keep it tucked away in the corner :?

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad350/kaths101/shedplan2.jpg

What i described is like your first diagram - if you have 2 pairs i wouldnt have an adjoining section of run incase you get referred agression, or you lose a nose like poor bungle bottom! And like you said, i wouldnt want a section of run behind the shed were you cant see it or get to it.

VickiP
12-02-2010, 12:59 AM
:wave: I just did a diagram in excel and it won't copy and paste onto the new post, it prints the words but not the borders or arrows etc what do you do to get a diagram from excel on here?

kaths101
12-02-2010, 01:09 AM
:wave: I just did a diagram in excel and it won't copy and paste onto the new post, it prints the words but not the borders or arrows etc what do you do to get a diagram from excel on here?

I have no idea - i did mine in paint! :oops:

VickiP
12-02-2010, 01:11 AM
I have no idea - i did mine in paint! :oops:

Oh right, did you upload it to photobucket first then to get an IMG code or did it just let you copy and paste?

kaths101
12-02-2010, 01:16 AM
Oh right, did you upload it to photobucket first then to get an IMG code or did it just let you copy and paste?

No i uploaded via photobucket/ IMG Code x

kaths101
12-02-2010, 01:20 AM
What i described is like your first diagram - if you have 2 pairs i wouldnt have an adjoining section of run incase you get referred agression, or you lose a nose like poor bungle bottom! And like you said, i wouldnt want a section of run behind the shed were you cant see it or get to it.

ok thanks, i would have the runs seperated by a piece of ply or something so they are not directly in contact, i wouldnt risk nose nips :?
The other run wouldnt be behind the shed but behind the other run but still not ideal - thanks for your ideas - Im getting there i think!

Stator
12-02-2010, 09:22 AM
:wave: I just did a diagram in excel and it won't copy and paste onto the new post, it prints the words but not the borders or arrows etc what do you do to get a diagram from excel on here?

Press "Print Screen" on your keyboard, then open up Paint and select Paste. Then select the area you want to be the image using the dotted rectangle tool, select Copy from the Edit menu. Then select New from the File menu and then select Paste from the Edit menu :)

KateB
12-02-2010, 12:41 PM
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad350/kaths101/shedplan2.jpg

I like the left hand sketch:wave: - if you go for a 4 then they can have access to two different play areas for more variety! and with 2 pairs you can see both when they're out.

If you set up the run roofs to follow the lines of the shed roof, it will help it all to blend together & there's plenty of height for you to get into the runs as well.

Hanlou
12-02-2010, 12:58 PM
Just to throw in another idea, lol, quite a few sellers on ebay make (( Double Kennel Runs )) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dog-Kennel-and-Run-16-x-4-Double_W0QQitemZ270530158097QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item3efcda9e11) - I know this one is too big but most sellers will adapt designs to whatever sizes you require. :)

I hope you find a solution you're happy with. If you get a set-up that will suit two pairs I would just make sure that you could open it up as one unit to be suitable for a group of 4 living together - you can't lose this way. x

VikkiVet
12-02-2010, 04:48 PM
yes I think I had better build it with 2 pairs in mind, and go from there! I havent got a local rescue :cry::cry::cry: everyone is at least 2 hours away, and I would want them to bond charlie for me, i dont mind what girl he chooses - I have my eye on Dixie :love: and Rosie :love: from you at Walsall -but whether charlie agrees - who knows?? :lol:
but you dont bond do you?? or else there is Honeybunnies, Fat Fluffs or BARC...I think Honeybunnies is closest. (they have had some lovely dutch girls in today! :love::love:) I really dont mind who he has as long as he has someone to snuggle up to! Im really not keen in risking Sooty and Oreos bond as well as they are very very snuggley! :love:

Just had an idea - if you wanted Rosie or Dixie or any other from Walsall, i have to go pick up Kylo in a couple of weeks - i could bunnyrun one of them and meet you somewhere on my way back?

VikkiVet
12-02-2010, 04:50 PM
I like the left hand sketch:wave: - if you go for a 4 then they can have access to two different play areas for more variety! and with 2 pairs you can see both when they're out.

If you set up the run roofs to follow the lines of the shed roof, it will help it all to blend together & there's plenty of height for you to get into the runs as well.

thats also two great points! :thumb:

Bungle bunny
12-02-2010, 06:04 PM
BungleBunny - I cant really make it out from the picture - So have you split your shed like bunk beds?? and youve got one run on top of the other??

Aw, sorry, yes there is one run on top of the other and in the shed we have made a second tier by making an l shaped 4ft shelf along all of the back and down one side.

I dont have larger pics of that as I am on the works lap top, if you want I will try to up load some larger ones over the weekend.

It didnt really cost too much to do as we used loft boards for the shelf, they are just the right size and they are really cheap, the most expensive was the lino.

kaths101
12-02-2010, 08:38 PM
Just had an idea - if you wanted Rosie or Dixie or any other from Walsall, i have to go pick up Kylo in a couple of weeks - i could bunnyrun one of them and meet you somewhere on my way back?

Thanks very much for the offer - you are about half way for me so that would be ideal but i think when I have spoken to Lucy before I would have to pick them up myself and I would need a homecheck - but cant have that until my shed it built so will prob be longer than a couple of weeks!!

VikkiVet
12-02-2010, 10:01 PM
They might let me, as ALL my buns come from there! :lol: :lol: But the offer still stands if you want it!

kaths101
12-02-2010, 10:31 PM
VikkiVet - thanks i will let you know - also not keen doing the bonding myself - but do keep looking at Dixie bless her.. and Rosie is :love:

VickiP can you get your Diagram on now - using stators instructions - Im still open to ideas - not keen on having the shed in the middle of the patio :? my garden is not THAT big and would rather have the big shed in the corner! arggh. OH is not too keen either as this is the space for BBQs :lol:

VickiP
12-02-2010, 11:04 PM
Hi eventually :roll: I am so dim, here it is not brilliant but, I thought it would be easier than trying to explain plus I am so out of practice on excel so good excuse to play around:lol:

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz48/VictoriaP_01/untitled.jpg

I know that is a different layout to what you are proposing but, I would prefer it to see them in their runs and the internal aviary type door to get between the two sections of the shed would be handy to have another on the main shed door for summer for ventilation. The other way of doing it would be to have the shed frame with an aviary panel down the middle to split into two sections. Aviary doors on each half instead of cat flaps and then aviary style runs on each half with another door on each. That way you would just need some sort of cover for the aviary/run roof and the aviary doors which would be left open most of the time as they are inside the run if you see what I mean x

VickiP
12-02-2010, 11:06 PM
Press "Print Screen" on your keyboard, then open up Paint and select Paste. Then select the area you want to be the image using the dotted rectangle tool, select Copy from the Edit menu. Then select New from the File menu and then select Paste from the Edit menu :)

Thanks so much, I couldn't figure that out at all and it was really annoying as it was uploading it to photobucket but, soooo tiny as I copied it as a bit-map? Then I had a Trojan and Malaware aswell :roll: Sorted now so thats great thankyou, it's a rubbish diagram anyway oh well the thought was there :lol: x

kaths101
12-02-2010, 11:30 PM
:wave: thankyou - great drawing!

Yes I can see what you mean and I would much prefer to see both runs from the kitchen window but from the drawing the runs would only be 2 x 3.5 ft each which isnt really big enough.

I am planning on having a aviary panal or stable door on the 2 front doors behind the solid doors so I can open the main doors and they cant escape - also for ventilation and they can see out! i will prob also mesh 2 out of the 4 windows - or should I do all 4?. I emailed the company about having windows both sides but they cant do it.

I was thinking of not halving off the middle totally so maybe do ply 3 or 4 ft high (to avoid them seeing each other and nipping) and then just wide mesh to the top of the shed so the other half will get the light through from the windows on the other side??

Still with me :lol:

As for accessing the 2nd half of the shed through the aviary panal in your diagram I think i would find that too risky because whats to stop the buns running through while I am going through?? :?

What do you think of bunk runs (on on top of the other)?? :? Not sure what the top pair would think of being off the ground though - but is a great space saver too!! and would solve many problems :lol:

kaths101
13-02-2010, 11:32 PM
Would it be viable to have one large run and have the 2 pairs share it?? half a day each, when Im at home one pair can be free-ranging anyway and one can have the run??

Im still no further forward :?

Dont really want the shed in the middle just for the look of it - OH is a bit reluctant to use ALL the patio area...

Other idea is to have one pair out and one pair in!

VickiP
13-02-2010, 11:36 PM
Would it be viable to have one large run and have the 2 pairs share it?? half a day each, when Im at home one pair can be free-ranging anyway and one can have the run??

Im still no further forward :?

Dont really want the shed in the middle just for the look of it - OH is a bit reluctant to use ALL the patio area...

Other idea is to have one pair out and one pair in!

Yes that would work Kath, 4 hours min is an ideal time for them to be free to choose whether to run, etc so that would work certainly, can't you have another patio nearer the house for you to use with a nice table and chairs that way the buns could watch you watching them watching you ......:lol:

kaths101
13-02-2010, 11:58 PM
Yes that would work Kath, 4 hours min is an ideal time for them to be free to choose whether to run, etc so that would work certainly, can't you have another patio nearer the house for you to use with a nice table and chairs that way the buns could watch you watching them watching you ......:lol:

Yes we have just been discussing this - OH and his grandparents are going groundforce style and going to make another nice patio area near the house for us to sit at...
i think one big run may be the answer.. that way we wont have the logistics of getting each pair to their run and I can see them..