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capel
14-10-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm hoping Fliss isn't becoming incontinent. She's the lovely little rew who came from Jill to become Tim's wife. She has always had very strong-smelling, bright red urine (Fliss, not Jill!! :lol:) which Jill told me about
and had her checked out before I took her on , and we came to the conclusion that it was just something peculiar to Fliss. Anyway, All three buns have been great about using the litter trays to wee in. They're not so careful when it comes to their poo, but at least the hutch floor was always nice and dry. However I've noticed over the past week that the hutch smells of urine in the morning and there's always a fair amount of wet megazorb (I started to cover the hutch floor with megazorb). When we brought them in tonight Gordon noticed that fliss seemed a bit damp around her back end. She doesn't seem inflamed or sore, but I'll have another look at her tomorrow morning and possibly whip her up to the vet for a check over. Any thoughts/suggestions folks?

weeble
14-10-2009, 08:35 PM
Poor girl no real suggestions other than making sure she can move out of it ok hope the vets can help

capel
14-10-2009, 08:40 PM
That's not a problem as there's a huge layer of hay on top of the megazorb so the urine tends to run down and into the megazorb. They are in a big hutch with loads of room to move around in so at least she doesn't have to sit in a damp area..

Sky-O
14-10-2009, 08:49 PM
A UTI maybe? Hopefully something as benign and easily treatable as that.

capel
14-10-2009, 08:54 PM
I suppose it would help if I could take a urine sample up with me, but how do I do that in a trio?

Sky-O
14-10-2009, 08:58 PM
Could you temporarily separate her to get one?

My vet was able to tell when my Floss had a UTI because of how inflamed her bladder felt and how little urine was in there, so if you can't get one its not the end of the world, plus also I believe sometimes an old urine sample can be unreliable? (I may have remembered that wrong though).

thumps_
14-10-2009, 09:07 PM
Could you temporarily separate her to get one?

My vet was able to tell when my Floss had a UTI because of how inflamed her bladder felt and how little urine was in there, so if you can't get one its not the end of the world, plus also I believe sometimes an old urine sample can be unreliable? (I may have remembered that wrong though).

You are quite correct that an old urine sample is pretty useless to do a c&s with Sky-O. It's not just getting it to the vet. the vet has to get it to the lab in time.
The urine also has to be "clean catch" & not contaminated with poops ideally.I've never had to get a specimen for infection. I have heard that it is usually done at the vets by expressing the bladder.

However an older specimen kept in a sterile bottle & sealed bag in the fridge can be examined under the microscope for pus cells/ red cells etc which are strong indicators of infection, & crystals seen. It is helpful just to look at a specimen. A good clinician can make a good guess at the infecting bacterium by smell. Specific gravity = urine concentration can be measured, & dip stix will give an immediate assessment of protein, blood, pH etc.

capel
14-10-2009, 09:21 PM
Thanks for all the info. I'll update as soon as I can.

Sky-O
14-10-2009, 09:32 PM
You are quite correct that an old urine sample is pretty useless to do a c&s with Sky-O. It's not just getting it to the vet. the vet has to get it to the lab in time.

I'm quite proud of myself :D

Please update as and when you know more Capel. I hope its something simple to solve.

capel
15-10-2009, 07:36 PM
:wave::D Well, it's a mystery really. I had a good look at her this morning in the daylight and there's absolutely no sign of either urine scald or even slight discolouration of her fur around her bits and legs which I'd expect to see if she was incontinent. Nor was she damp. I then had a good look at he boys and they are also clean and dry. This afternoon I spent an hour sitting in the sun on the swingseat just watching them in the run(ah, the joys of retirement!:lol:) and saw her stop to have a wee in random places. Could this be a form of territory marking..it seems to have started since the fosters arrived, and they are both neutered females.

Jack's-Jane
15-10-2009, 07:50 PM
:wave::D Well, it's a mystery really. I had a good look at her this morning in the daylight and there's absolutely no sign of either urine scald or even slight discolouration of her fur around her bits and legs which I'd expect to see if she was incontinent. Nor was she damp. I then had a good look at he boys and they are also clean and dry. This afternoon I spent an hour sitting in the sun on the swingseat just watching them in the run(ah, the joys of retirement!:lol:) and saw her stop to have a wee in random places. Could this be a form of territory marking..it seems to have started since the fosters arrived, and they are both neutered females.

To me it sounds like a touch of cystitis- intermitent leaking and 'spot weeing'.

She may have some bladder sludge which has built up and is now causing the bladder to be inflammed.

If it were just the 'spot weeing' I'd think it might be territorial behaviour, but the leaky episode makes me think not :?

honeybunny
15-10-2009, 08:10 PM
Hi Hilda..glad she seems normal but like Jane I'd try to get a sample and get her checked..can you put a small cage and litter tray inside the bunnies run with Fliss in for a while?

weeble
15-10-2009, 08:47 PM
Glad it doesnt sound quite as serious as you first thought and glad she isnt sore or wet. She has been ok when other buns have stayed hasnt she?

bunny babe
15-10-2009, 09:20 PM
Glad she is OK Hilda.

I had this with Homer on a couple of occasions. Went out to find his back end wet, cleaned him up and looked for it again over the next 24 hours and obviously usual daily check. Nothing until about a month later and the same again. I mentioned it to Martin but he said to keep an eye on but was not over concerned as they were odd instances but to come back if it was ongoing for further investigation.

Not had anything now for a couple of months **touches wood**

capel
15-10-2009, 09:26 PM
Thanks for all the input..

I think I'll take her to the vet tomorrow afternoon and ask if she can express some urine from her and send it for analysis. If she's building up sludge I'd better get it seen to before it become a real problem.

thumps_
15-10-2009, 09:42 PM
I think that's a good idea. All the best, & please keep us updated.

capel
15-10-2009, 09:43 PM
Certainly will!:thumb:

capel
16-10-2009, 09:06 AM
Morning all! I haven't time to read posts this morning, so I hope everyone's fine and that any poorly buns are getting a bit better. I've booked Fliss in at the vet 9.50 so lots of anti bladder sludge vibes please. Tim's going with her as I think he's dropped a bit of weight over the last couple of weeks..just get his teeth checked out to be sure.

bunny babe
16-10-2009, 01:28 PM
Hope it went OK at the vet Hilda? How are they doing?

ShazzaBunny
16-10-2009, 01:38 PM
Hope Fliss and Tim got on ok at the vets Hilda, sending lots of vibes xx

capel
16-10-2009, 05:12 PM
.Tim came home having been pronounced fit and well..he'd actually put on some weight. However, Fliss had to stay at the vet because her bladder was empty when we went this morning (:roll:) and the vet said she'd express some later and send it upstairs for analysis. The results came back showing that she has granular casts which are indicative of tubular damage, so I've asked her to do a blood test and also titre levels for ec.

weeble
16-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Oh dear poor Fliss I'm not sure what the consequences of that are but sending lots of not too serious vibes your way x

capel
16-10-2009, 05:38 PM
In a broad sense I suppose it means that there is kidney damage to some degree..

capel
16-10-2009, 07:05 PM
Has anyone any experience of this..treatment etc?

Jack's-Jane
16-10-2009, 08:56 PM
Has anyone any experience of this..treatment etc?

I think you'd need to wait for the Blood test results really :?
It could still be infection/inflammation.

Hopefully you'll find out more once the Vet has the blood results available to work with.


I am playing the waiting game too............... :cry:

capel
16-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Thanks for the post Jane. Emily said she didn't think there was an infection or inflammation as she showed no tenseness around the bladder or kidney areas. However, as you say, the blood test will clarify that. She had hoped that the bloods would be back but she couldn't take the blood until I went to pick Fliss up as she didn't want to go ahead without my sayso because of the cost involved. She'd rung twice.. and left a message but I hadn't checked my phone!! Must have been out in the garden with the other buns, or seeing my friend off when she rang.. The lab is above the surgery so she'd hoped she might have got a rushed job even if it was 4.15 on a Friday!! lol
So we are both doing the Waiting game now, although it's not so bad for me as Fliss is her usual unconcerned self...

giantbunnymummy
16-10-2009, 09:30 PM
Hope Fliss's results won't show anything too serious.

ShazzaBunny
17-10-2009, 09:06 AM
Sending millions of vibes for Fliss :love:

bunny babe
17-10-2009, 09:27 AM
I hope the blood results are OK. Sending her lots of vibes.

Jaysmonkey
17-10-2009, 10:15 AM
lots of vibes!

thumps_
17-10-2009, 04:13 PM
Everything crossed for Fliss.
Is she the same bun who had myxi twice?

bunny babe
19-10-2009, 06:26 PM
Any news on the bloods? Hope she is still well in herself.

capel
19-10-2009, 06:32 PM
Hi Sandra. Vet rang me just before 6 to say that the blood test shows that she has an infection somewhere(??) and her protein levels are raised. but all the other numbers are within the average range . She's starting her on a course of Baytril from tomorrow. Fliss is still her usual bouncy self and her appetite's as voracious as ever, so she obv doesn't seem to be feeling a bit off-colour.

bunny babe
19-10-2009, 08:01 PM
That sounds like good news then. I hope the Baytril sorts her out.

thumps_
19-10-2009, 10:32 PM
I'm hopeful for Fliss. In humans some infections can damage the renal tubules BUT once the infection is eradicated, the tubules recover completely. I'm so hoping that this holds true for bunnies too.

capel
20-10-2009, 08:29 AM
I'm hopeful for Fliss. In humans some infections can damage the renal tubules BUT once the infection is eradicated, the tubules recover completely. I'm so hoping that this holds true for bunnies too.

Aw, thanks so much for that bit of reassuring info. I'll just give her the meds, keep her happy and hope for the best.:)

thumps_
22-10-2009, 06:43 PM
How is Fliss?

capel
22-10-2009, 09:06 PM
HI!:wave: See this smile??:D:D:D The last part of her blood test came back today showing that she has tested NEGATIVE for EC!!! So hopefully the abx will sort her out:):)

Jack's-Jane
22-10-2009, 09:38 PM
HI!:wave: See this smile??:D:D:D The last part of her blood test came back today showing that she has tested NEGATIVE for EC!!! So hopefully the abx will sort her out:):)

Fantastic news :D

thumps_
22-10-2009, 09:39 PM
That's wonderful news. Binkies all round!!:D:D:D:D:D
Please keep us up dated, if you can.

Tinsel
22-10-2009, 09:50 PM
Sounding goooooooooood! :thumb: