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chloaster
29-08-2009, 06:14 PM
Brillo my four week old orphan has collapsed, it's like he has floppy bunny syndrome. I've rung the vets and they want to charge me 66 to try him on Baytril or put him to sleep ....

Is he too young to have Baytril as I have some here? Is there anything else I can do for him - I've given him some cherry tomato juice and a heatsafe as he seems a bit cold but otherwise I feel helpless.

Bunny Buddy
29-08-2009, 06:17 PM
Just trying to remember a thread where Kirsty (Chipmunk K) had sick babies, I *think* Jane didn't think Baytril in such young babies was such a good idea. (Goes off to find thread to see what it says)

chloaster
29-08-2009, 06:18 PM
I don't think it is either but those were the two options my "as ever helpful emergency vets" gave me ....

Bunny Buddy
29-08-2009, 06:25 PM
The advice I read wasn't in the thread I thought and I can't for the life of me remember where it was.

Hopefully somebody who actually knows what they are talking about can help more... though I'm determined to remember where I read it as it might have some more useful advice. ...

TeflonsShadow
29-08-2009, 06:26 PM
Maybe try giving him some baby food/ recovery food (syringe if needed)? I have known bun babies to like some baby foods.... keep him warm and a bit of baytril. Make sure hes getting fluids (syringe feed if needed)

Check his pee and poo outlet!!

Good luck!!!

Tamsin
29-08-2009, 07:05 PM
I would say odds are it's gut related and even if it's bacterial then oral baytril will probably finish off the guts before it could do any good for the infection. If you've got injectable then you could try that.

Otherwise fluids and recovery. You could try the treatment for 'floppy bunny' but I would think that it's just a symptom of sickness in such a young bunny rather than related to that.

To be very honest, those sort of symptoms in a healthy adult bun are pretty dire so I don't know that there is any action you can take that will help :(

honeybunny
29-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Most important thing is to keep his temp up..if he is "with it " enough to take some fluids then try..
Sadly I think the outlook isn't good:cry:
thinking of you and the bunny xx

Jack's-Jane
29-08-2009, 07:14 PM
Chloe do you have some Hartmanns and can you give SQ fluids ?

If so I'd warm the bag of Hartmanns to body temp and give Brillo 10ml.

Also put him on a heat pad but dont administer anything by mouth.

* NOT QUALIFIED ADVICE*, just what I'd do in the absence of access to a decent Vet

Millions of vibes :cry:

Michelleox
29-08-2009, 09:05 PM
Hope little Brillo will be ok:(

SOAD
29-08-2009, 09:16 PM
Chloe try st georges in wolves they've normally got some one good with bunnies on, but unfortunately you will pay 100's of pounds, they are normally good only had a couple of bad episodes with them. Sending lots of vibes XXX

SOAD
29-08-2009, 09:18 PM
http://www.stgeorgesvets.co.uk/ :wave:

Jack's-Jane
29-08-2009, 09:33 PM
Any news on wee Brillo ?

The Duchess
29-08-2009, 09:36 PM
OMG huge vibes for the little one.

hurricanhoney
29-08-2009, 09:37 PM
Sending mega vibes hope buns OK.

antigone
29-08-2009, 09:55 PM
Thinking of you and Brillo xx

chloaster
30-08-2009, 06:31 AM
Thank guys - we rang Julia's vets in the end and they advised us to keep him warm and hydrated. He is still with us this morning but now has no life in his body at all but he has had some water and his cimicat and it's obviously not gut related as he's pooping fine too. Not holding out much hope but he' hasn't given up yet so I'm not going to.

Tinsel
30-08-2009, 06:38 AM
Only just saw this. Mega-vibes for baby Brillo. It seems so cruel that you worked so hard and they made it so far and now he's so sick :cry::cry::cry:

Jack's-Jane
30-08-2009, 06:52 AM
Poor Brillo :cry:

I am hoping for a miracle

As a complete longshot what about Panacur :?

chloaster
30-08-2009, 07:09 AM
Poor Brillo :cry:

I am hoping for a miracle

As a complete longshot what about Panacur :?

You know what? I never thought of that.

Is panacur ok for baby buns?

Tinsel
30-08-2009, 07:12 AM
You know what? I never thought of that.

Is panacur ok for baby buns?

I don't think you have anything to lose :( but hopefully Jane will be back soon...

Jack's-Jane
30-08-2009, 07:12 AM
You know what? I never thought of that.

Is panacur ok for baby buns?

Well its given to pre weaned Puppies for intestinal worms :?

TBH when in the last chance saloon what is there to loose ................

Could you run the suggestion by Julia's Vet ? Me not being qualified to say 'give it' myself.

chloaster
30-08-2009, 07:15 AM
I think I'm of the same thought .... "nothing to lose" but will give Julia's vet a quick call.

RubyTed
30-08-2009, 07:32 AM
I have all my vibes and BEEG frenchie vibes from Teddy that he'll pull through! You're doing the right thing, and whilst not a vet, agree with there is nothing to lose!! Do they know what it is? Could it be EC?

Come on little bun! Get better for your mummy!

KarenM
30-08-2009, 07:50 AM
Poor Brillo, please hang in there little one. xxx

Jack's-Jane
30-08-2009, 08:03 AM
I am typing this out whilst dripping wet from having lept out of the bath to say that I cant get the thought of 'Hartmanns' out of my head. If, and I guess its a big 'if', the problem is some sort of catastrophic electrolyte imbalance then getting some Hartmanns into him (SQ) may help. It contains various electrolytes.

Better go and dry myself and the floor now................:?

More vibes for little Brillo

xx

ETA If no access to Hartmanns then what about oral Dioralyte ? That contains lots of essential electrolytes too.

Bunnyaddict
30-08-2009, 08:56 AM
Come on sweetie pie, hang on in there Brillo - sending you all the vibes in the world xxx

giantbunnymummy
30-08-2009, 10:14 AM
Millions of vibes for baby Brillo

bunlover
30-08-2009, 10:40 AM
i was thinking a last shot by giving pannacur too. what about getting him on metacam if he in pain or if it caused by a swelling in brain? how about trying him with stuff high in vit d and e as i know both can be causes of floppy rabbit syndrome...defo agree keep warm and extra fluids... thinks long and hard..... another long shot but what about getting something high in calcium could that cause it? eek im sorry i dont know enough to help more... i think al lof janes suggestions sound good. you can also try woods vet in glos in case jason is in? he is a very very highly reccomended vet he is too far to help you but maybe could give advice over the phone or reccomend to your vets? 01452 520056 hope that helps thinking of u and brillo x

lunar6769
30-08-2009, 10:51 AM
Sending loads of vibes for Brillo

lilbun
30-08-2009, 01:28 PM
Only just read this, I hope the little bunny will be ok.
Is there not a rabbit savvy vet you can get him to?
Low potassium can sometimes trigger this sort of symptom as well xx

biscandmatt1
30-08-2009, 01:43 PM
sending vibes. xxx

TeflonsShadow
30-08-2009, 01:45 PM
Massive vibes for Brillo... how is he??

honeybunny
30-08-2009, 01:56 PM
Shock can bring on these symptoms too..which if he is warm and drinking he should come out of
Lots of vibes still coming your way xx

chloaster
30-08-2009, 03:01 PM
Thanks guys - I fed him at 11:30 then came back to work, Julia has just called from home to let me know he's gone :cry:

mrsb85
30-08-2009, 03:05 PM
im so so sorry for your loss binky free brillo xxxx

Michelleox
30-08-2009, 03:13 PM
Oh no! I'm so sorry. You really did do everything you possibly could for those little bunnies. Hand rearing is so very hard:cry: How is the other one doing?

Wish i could have five minutes with their mum's original owner:censored::evil:

oscarbunny
30-08-2009, 03:21 PM
So sorry Chloe :cry: x

biscandmatt1
30-08-2009, 03:22 PM
so sorry :cry:

Jack's-Jane
30-08-2009, 03:34 PM
Thanks guys - I fed him at 11:30 then came back to work, Julia has just called from home to let me know he's gone :cry:

Chloe my heart goes out to you :cry:
I really am so very sorry :cry: :cry:

I know its of very little consolation to you but Brillo had 4 weeks of love and care. He was never cold, hungry or affraid. Never lonely or neglected. An all too short life but thanks to you a very happy one.

Binky Free little Brillo xx

:cry:

giantbunnymummy
30-08-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm so sorry :cry:

Julia123
30-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Chloe my heart goes out to you :cry:
I really am so very sorry :cry: :cry:

I know its of very little consolation to you but Brillo had 4 weeks of love and care. He was never cold, hungry or affraid. Never lonely or neglected. An all too short life but thanks to you a very happy one.

Binky Free little Brillo xx

:cry:

Well said Jane, Chloe you gave that little bunny everything he needed, you couldn't have done any more. You have a very big heart and I know its breaking right now and I'm thinking of you and you know where I am if you need me :cry: xxx

Soapy is doing ok, when I left he was having a cuddle with one of Pinots babies - before bouncing out of the litter tray for a drink then back for more cuddles. x

Snowberry
30-08-2009, 03:53 PM
I am so sorry Chloe, I cant even begin to imagine how you must be feeling.

*Hugs* xxxxxx

hurricanhoney
30-08-2009, 04:09 PM
So sorry :(

tupperwarequeen
30-08-2009, 04:18 PM
so very sorry Chloe xxx

Tinsel
30-08-2009, 04:29 PM
Dreaded this update. So very sorry :cry:

Daisylop
30-08-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm very sorry to hear this Chloe,binky free Brillo x

TeflonsShadow
30-08-2009, 04:34 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry:

I am so sorry for your loss :cry:

<hugs>



Thanks guys - I fed him at 11:30 then came back to work, Julia has just called from home to let me know he's gone :cry:

lilbun
30-08-2009, 04:43 PM
I'm sorry he didn't make it. You did all you could for him xx

honeybunny
30-08-2009, 05:17 PM
so sorry Chloe:cry:xxx

clutterydrawer
30-08-2009, 05:19 PM
So sorry he didn't make it, you dnt deserve this to happen after all the love you gave him. :( :( sleep tight baby boy.

SOAD
30-08-2009, 06:08 PM
So sorry :cry:

RubyTed
30-08-2009, 07:03 PM
I'm so sorry! The little bun had a wonderful life with you. It may have been short, but at least it was happy! Look after the other little one! All my love and best wishes are with you!

bunnymadhouse
30-08-2009, 07:08 PM
so very sorry ... :(

amyhhh
30-08-2009, 07:33 PM
So sorry :cry: Binky free little bunny

poppymoon
30-08-2009, 07:48 PM
oh no:( sleep tight little one x

really sorry chloe:(

Tinsel
30-08-2009, 07:53 PM
Just wondered if it was worth boosting potassium levs of remaining babe just in case it helps? :?

antigone
30-08-2009, 08:41 PM
I'm so sorry. :cry:

lunar6769
30-08-2009, 08:56 PM
Sorry to hear the sad news. :(

Bunnyaddict
30-08-2009, 08:58 PM
I am so, so sorry Chloe - poor little Brillo :cry:

Thinking of you xxx

angeleyes
30-08-2009, 09:01 PM
So sorry you lost the little one xx

Rexbun
31-08-2009, 06:00 PM
so sorry to hear about poor little Brillo - my heart goes out to you and the little bunny. :(
He couldn't have been in better hands and at least he had lots of TLC before he passed away.