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Starlight
27-08-2009, 09:00 AM
After a debate on another forum,

I thought i would ask the question over here.

Should an earless rabbit (due to overgrooming by the mother when it is a kit) be culled by breeders as " When breeding, you have to cut out the bad ones" ?

honeybunny
27-08-2009, 09:03 AM
Well I know you have already seen my responses on the other forum Kris

No it should not.
The argument being put forward is that it will weaken the breed, but a bun that has lost its ears due to over grooming is not a weak bun, it is not a genetic fault and could quite easily be found a home.

Would be interesting if people could answer with a simple yes or no! (Kris will get this point!)

UsagiYojimbo
27-08-2009, 09:03 AM
I know of a bunny who had her ears chewed off at birth from mother and she has grown up fine absolutely normal can still hear and is very happy.

There is absolutely no need to cull them at birth that is ridiculous

Starlight
27-08-2009, 09:05 AM
And also the point that someone made being that culling these imperfect rabbits is doing the rescue a favour as they are more likely to end up in a rescue long term :?

Bunny Buddy
27-08-2009, 09:06 AM
No dilemma at all on this one. It sounds like it's all about cosmetics and convenience - not about what's good for either the breed or the individual bunny.

I think most of us *here* would be proud to own an earless bunny as it would represent a life that wasn't destroyed for the sake of it. :D

holidayhutch
27-08-2009, 09:09 AM
Meet Rosie a gorgeous little earless tri coloured Dutch whose ears were chewed off at birth. She has been coming here on her holidays now for over 2 years and is gorgeous, she is no different to any other rabbit apart from her ears and this doesn't seem to impede her in any way so my answer is a definite NO. She also came from a rescue(where she was born) and her owner picked her because she was different to all the other buns.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/lynneb66/HHRosienoears-1.jpg

Bunny Buddy
27-08-2009, 09:09 AM
And also the point that someone made being that culling these imperfect rabbits is doing the rescue a favour as they are more likely to end up in a rescue long term :?

I actually doubt that as the compassionate people who go to rescues are likely to notice that bunny over the others (I've no experience of running a rescue of cause, that's just my gut feeling).

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 09:09 AM
I have some lovely earless buns :love:

I can vaguely see the point about them ending up in rescues as I guess they are harder to rehome and my earless boys came from a rescue. But I'm sure the majority of rescues would prefer to find space for them than know they are being culled at birth.

So my answer is no :)

giantbunnymummy
27-08-2009, 09:12 AM
Definitely a no from me too.

I'd be surprised if anyone on RU voted yes tbh ... but you never know!

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 09:13 AM
Didn't take me many seconds to find the original arguement :roll::roll:

Starlight
27-08-2009, 09:13 AM
This debate came around after the eyerolling topic of breeding came up, when a breeder replied


ok i breed because i show and want to improve the standard and produce good babies that i can show each year
all babies are sold or given away i dont cull the excess babies , however i do cull babies that have been attacked by mum over groomed ( ears missing etc )

Starlight
27-08-2009, 09:14 AM
Didn't take me many seconds to find the original arguement :roll::roll:

Doesn't take much to think where :lol:

Stator
27-08-2009, 09:14 AM
Joey says no
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/3365749078_edde0c5380.jpg

Kermit
27-08-2009, 09:16 AM
A definate NO!
I would probably pick the earless bun if i seen one when i was looking :)

PrincessPinky
27-08-2009, 09:57 AM
Not all breeders do it, my friend is a rabbit breeder she keeps the ones with no ears or sells them onto to suitable owners, she demands they will be kept has house rabbits though.

jackiestone
27-08-2009, 10:01 AM
NO NO NO http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii135/jackieandarchie/IMG_1333.jpg

One thing though,Stumpys Mum was able to have more babies and she did the same to them too,so I dont think a Mummy should be able to have more babies

RubyTed
27-08-2009, 10:02 AM
I know of a bunny who had her ears chewed off at birth from mother and she has grown up fine absolutely normal can still hear and is very happy.

There is absolutely no need to cull them at birth that is ridiculous

I know the very same little bunny! She has gone on to have a few litters of *suprise, suprise* very eared bunnies...hehe...What do people who want to cull them think will happen?!

I also know a bunny who is missing a few toes as mummy bun got OCD when cleaning him as a kit.

Loosy
27-08-2009, 10:04 AM
Whaaaat? Earlessness that occurs after birth is not going to have any effect on any babies the earless rabbit might produce. So the breeder's argument makes no sense... It's not something that could be passed on :s
Most earless rabbits seem to get along just fine. Culling them seems pointless. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be fine with owning an earless rabbit... they just look a lil different..

RubyTed
27-08-2009, 10:07 AM
This debate came around after the eyerolling topic of breeding came up, when a breeder replied

Where on earth did this come up...!? I have nothing against responsible breeding (Teddy's from one), but this is ludicrous! No wonder so many people are so against it!! Culling because ears are missing?! *grumblegrumble*

angeleyes
27-08-2009, 10:12 AM
No way, i had earless foster buns and the first person that saw them whisked them off to their loving forever home, it did not matter about their ears (or lack of them) at all!

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 10:13 AM
I agee with jackie here that it is the mum who has done the damage that should be retired from breeding as that is where the problem lies, not with the babies who's ears are missing.

Jack's-Jane
27-08-2009, 10:21 AM
The Doe is stressed hence the canabalism
The Doe should be retired from breeding and the Kits found Pet homes

I could say soooooooooooooooooo much more but I dont feel like being Infracted today :)

bunlover
27-08-2009, 10:35 AM
firght i wasnt going to post this morning but i really feel i have to on this...

every and any rabbit with a deformity provided it can still live a good happy quality of life should be homed in a pet home (preferebly neutered first) no breeder should cull them jsut ensure they are not bred from in future

secondly in this instance it is the mother who is at fault and therefore the mother should be neutered retired fro mbreeding and allowed to live a happy pet life.

3rdly how can anyone condone culling an animal because it nacks up the breed?! surely yo uaccept mistakes happen and rehome as a pet but dont continue with that blood line?!

am outraged people do this. x

LurcherGirl
27-08-2009, 10:36 AM
I had an earless bun due to overgrooming. Can't see why they should be culled! But I feel that the doe should not be bred from again as this trait could be passed on... ;)

Vera

rngpwelfare
27-08-2009, 10:39 AM
It's a no here as well.

We've had a few ear less bunnies come through here or on occasion 1 eared rabbits.

The first 1 was here for a while even though he always got people saying how sweet he was, but all the others have gone out very quickly.I do feel that the people taking them on do it to start of with because they feel sorry for them but then fall in love with them for there personality.

Bavarian Bunny
27-08-2009, 11:27 AM
Bobtails recently had a group of bunnies in, who had parts of their ears missing, and they all were reserved very quickly. Nothing wrong with earless bunnies, they just look like big guinea pigs. :)

TeflonsShadow
27-08-2009, 11:30 AM
Meet Rosie a gorgeous little earless tri coloured Dutch whose ears were chewed off at birth. She has been coming here on her holidays now for over 2 years and is gorgeous, she is no different to any other rabbit apart from her ears and this doesn't seem to impede her in any way so my answer is a definite NO. She also came from a rescue(where she was born) and her owner picked her because she was different to all the other buns.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/lynneb66/HHRosienoears-1.jpg

Shes BEAUTIFUL :love::love::love::love:

TeflonsShadow
27-08-2009, 11:35 AM
I dont think buns should be killed because they've had their ears nibbled... I know when my bun had an accidental litter about 6 years ago no, one of the babies had a ear that was ripped a bit because mummies nails caught it when they were very small.... and he was one of the first to be re homed..... the man called him shredder!! (suited him well actually because he used to rip up newspaper for amusement)

Its like Rimmi - he was bred for the intention of breeding (not by me) but when the lady recieved him, he wasnt perfect and he was going to be 'got rid of' (he has some slight white ticking... no good for showing.... and white bits on the tips of his ears) which is why I went and bought him off her. Hes such a lovely character of a bun....I cant imagine what they were going to do with him.

I would be proud to own a bun with no ears. I wouldnt go out just to find one but if I saw one needing a home and I had room then I would.

Uh.... got to go..... Rimmi is breaking into the food tub!

Hunnybunny2007
27-08-2009, 12:18 PM
A definate no


otherwise this little girl wouldn't be here:cry:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff30/Hunnyandmartha/137.jpg

She is looking for a home with her mum http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=192106

Lib_n_bunny
27-08-2009, 12:25 PM
the argument being put forward is that it will weaken the breed, but a bun that has lost its ears due to over grooming is not a weak bun, it is not a genetic fault and could quite easily be found a home.


Surely no one is stupid enough not to understand the counterargument! It makes me really really mad when people are so ignorant :evil::evil::evil::censored:

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 01:06 PM
A definate no


otherwise this little girl wouldn't be here:cry:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff30/Hunnyandmartha/137.jpg

She is looking for a home with her mum http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=192106

You must stop posting pictures of so many gorgeous buns that need homes, I want them all :love::(

Bunny_mad
27-08-2009, 01:20 PM
Of course the answer is no!! I agree with everyone about mum being retired from breeding. Like most people have said, if I was looking for a bunny and an earless bunny that was suitable came up there would be no hesitation. It's a life at the end of the day regardless of looks and if the animal can live a happy, helthy life why deny it the chance.

I actually feel sadened that people can think like this (I know it doesn't apply on here). The earless ness will not effect the blood lines but mum should not be bred again as she may do it to another litter.

donnamt
27-08-2009, 01:22 PM
no no no no no no no. why would people even consider it :cry::cry::cry::cry:

Rhian33
27-08-2009, 01:27 PM
Definitely not but I do think that rabbits (or any animal for that matter) that has genes which predispose them so some sort of infavourabale behaviour, illness or birth defect should be neutered and not bred from including the mother that has done the ear damage.

LloydFerris
27-08-2009, 01:30 PM
Hmmm....cull the culler, I always say. Sick :censored:s!!!!

*Spider*
27-08-2009, 01:43 PM
The person who thought that a rabbit with no ears should be simply 'culled' is a mindless moron who obviously has no compassion for rabbits and therefore should NOT be breeding... well that is a different argument all together :lol:

Rhian33
27-08-2009, 01:55 PM
The person who thought that a rabbit with no ears should be simply 'culled' is a mindless moron who obviously has no compassion for rabbits and therefore should NOT be breeding... well that is a different argument all together :lol:

Makes perfect sense to me. Can we add a few more to the list of reasons people shouldn't be allowed to breed? :lol:

Seriously though I am all for responsible breeders breeding to eliminate behavour traits or health issues but realy can't see the point in culling. Possibly compulsory neutering but that's a good idea anyway.

bunnymadhouse
27-08-2009, 02:04 PM
agree with everyone else ...definate NO ...and dont let mum have more babies or she will do the same again ..

poor bunnies :(

rabshan
27-08-2009, 02:33 PM
I have several bunnies who only have one ear:cry:they came from breeders who were going to "cull" them as they were "of no use" as they couldn't be sold:cry::evil:
Apart from having to make sure that the missing ear has to be kept clean they are no different to normal buns:)
WHY on earth should they have been killed:?
So it,s a NO from me too!
I also think that they are more likely to be offered homes in a rescue situation as they will appeal to real bunny lovers :love:

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 02:37 PM
I have several bunnies who only have one ear:cry:they came from breeders who were going to "cull" them as they were "of no use" as they couldn't be sold:cry::evil:
Apart from having to make sure that the missing ear has to be kept clean they are no different to normal buns:)
WHY on earth should they have been killed:?
So it,s a NO from me too!
I also think that they are more likely to be offered homes in a rescue situation as they will appeal to real bunny lovers :love:

How can you keep it clean if it's missing? :lol: Sorry :oops::oops:

B3rnie69
27-08-2009, 02:44 PM
I think you all need to get your facts straight, it isn't a yes/no answer and it never will be..

*puts flame suit on and awaits grilling*

Starlight
27-08-2009, 02:45 PM
I think you all need to get your facts straight, it isn't a yes/no answer and it never will be..

*puts flame suit on and awaits grilling*

So are you voting yes?

If a rabbit simply has its EARS missing, should it die for it?

Rhian33
27-08-2009, 02:46 PM
What facts? The facts we have been presented with are should we kill a rabbit justr because it has missing ears when there are loads of bunnies out there currently living healthy, happy lives with out ears or parts of ears.

PrincessPinky
27-08-2009, 02:48 PM
I think you all need to get your facts straight, it isn't a yes/no answer and it never will be..

*puts flame suit on and awaits grilling*


Thats a load of rubbish. If you are a breeder that culls earless babies, then you give breeders a bad name! I have friends who breed and NON of them have EVER, EVER culled a earless bunny or blind bunny e.t.c any birth defects unless the baby is suffering and there is no cure!

Hunnybunny2007
27-08-2009, 02:49 PM
I have several bunnies who only have one ear:cry:they came from breeders who were going to "cull" them as they were "of no use" as they couldn't be sold:cry::evil:
Apart from having to make sure that the missing ear has to be kept clean they are no different to normal buns:)
WHY on earth should they have been killed:?
So it,s a NO from me too!
I also think that they are more likely to be offered homes in a rescue situation as they will appeal to real bunny lovers :love:

Unfortunately this little darling and her mum are still waiting:cry:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff30/Hunnyandmartha/137.jpg

She is looking for a home with her mum http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=192106

B3rnie69
27-08-2009, 02:51 PM
I do not believe that a bun should be culled *just* because he/she is missing an ear, so long as there are no other health problems... But in the case that this thread was starting from it wasn't the case and the kit was pts because it was in great amounts of pain and had been rejected by the doe... (It wasn't just a missing ear, the kit had been attacked)... The details were too graphic to be posted.....

Sorry but life isn't and will never be black and white :roll:

B3rnie69
27-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Thats a load of rubbish. If you are a breeder that culls earless babies, then you give breeders a bad name! I have friends who breed and NON of them have EVER, EVER culled a earless bunny or blind bunny e.t.c any birth defects unless the baby is suffering and there is no cure!

If you knew the facts then you would know that there wasn't any other choice... The only other option was to sit there listening to the kit screaming in pain :(

luluhound
27-08-2009, 02:55 PM
exactly sometimes life and nature can be cruel.:cry:

Starlight
27-08-2009, 02:56 PM
I do not believe that a bun should be culled *just* because he/she is missing an ear, so long as there are no other health problems... But in the case that this thread was starting from it wasn't the case and the kit was pts because it was in great amounts of pain and had been rejected by the doe... (It wasn't just a missing ear, the kit had been attacked)... The details were too graphic to be posted.....

Sorry but life isn't and will never be black and white :roll:

Well, the breeder went from saying it had missing ears to later on saying it had been scalped and covered in bites and cuts.... forgive me if i am wrong.. they are both different things, and i doubt the second story of what happened would have came around had their not been an outrage on said thread. If the Second was stated first, this thread would not be here.

PrincessPinky
27-08-2009, 03:09 PM
Well, the breeder went from saying it had missing ears to later on saying it had been scalped and covered in bites and cuts.... forgive me if i am wrong.. they are both different things, and i doubt the second story of what happened would have came around had their not been an outrage on said thread. If the Second was stated first, this thread would not be here.


I agree with this...

Bunny Buddy
27-08-2009, 03:44 PM
Well, the breeder went from saying it had missing ears to later on saying it had been scalped and covered in bites and cuts.... forgive me if i am wrong.. they are both different things, and i doubt the second story of what happened would have came around had their not been an outrage on said thread. If the Second was stated first, this thread would not be here.

Too true. Sometimes if the facts are too graphic to share then it's best not to get the subject going in the first place. Giving only half the story is bound to lead us to the wrong conclusion and then outrage at what we believe given the information we have to hand. We can't be blamed for jumping to the wrong conclusions.

Even if the story that started this saga isn't as black and white as it seemed, the issue of whether or not to cull rabbits for cosmetic deformities is still an interesting one to debate. This forum is given an overwhelming 'No' - it makes me very happy to be part of this community. (Doesn't mean we follow like sheep, just that we share strong views about certain things).

jazzywoo
27-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Ok i have watched this with great interest seems though
StarlightsRabbitRescue has nt given you the fullstory as she didnt read the posts right !
yes it is me you are slandering and isnt Hmmm....cull the culler, I always say. Sick :censored: like giving me a death threat ? just think about that Lloyd Ferris
as I have made it more than clear in the other forum
in all the years i have been keeping rabbits i have had to cull 6 babies ! I have been keeping rabbits 10 years showing for 5 its not like this comes up regular , 3 babies were peanuts double dwarfing gene in small breeds peanuts cant not survive and it takes up to a week for them to die naturally which is cruel, 1 was over groomed and had no ears and a leg groomed off and other injuries and 2 were deformed one was born with no back legs another had 2 heads 1 back leg and no front legs
now do you still think i was cruel to have them culled ?
i have had 1 bunnie born with a ear missing that was rehomed to my friends daughter as it was born like that so it was not in pain or suffering in any way
the one that had been over groomed had the following injuries and StarlightsRabbitRescue
was saying its ok to let a animal suffer when its had its ears ripped off it has no skin on its head as a result of it, it has wounds to its skull too meaning possible bain damage and has punture wounds all over its body , what your saying is its not cruel to leave it alive in pain and its not cruel to let it suffer
bear in mind when it has had such injury there is going to be also internal damange which means internal bleeding as well as bleeding from the outside wounds too , in this case limbs of the animal are hanging off but held on by skin bones are broken, and to top it off baby bunny is screaming and in general its not a nice scene this was the scene that i found the day i had to put that baby to sleep yet you say i was wrong to have it pts
so you feel the right thing to do is let it live and slowly bleed to death internally and externally suffering in pain , if it survives the trip to the vet for you to get it treated i know what any good vet will do they will have it pts
you have to remeber every situation is different and im sorry but if i have the same situation again i would do the same again i would have the baby pts
I did point out these facts half way through the post StarlightsRabbitRescue seemed to ignore these facts she also ignored the fact i have had bunnies with no ears before now as pets and rehomed them as pets guess she forgot to tell you that bit of the post she has just pointed out the bad parts of the post in one sentance and wrote this post and set this post up to do nothing more than to make me look bad and other breeders look bad and ignored the facts and the rest of it

life is not all smiles and sunshine there is a real world out there and welcome to the real world bad things happen and as a result people have to make heart breaking choices its a fact of life and personally i dont feel its fair to be persucuted for doing the right thing by an animal even if the right thing means culling or as in other terms pts an animal humainly to prevnt it suffering any more
i have requested this post to be removed from this forum as it is slander and since you were only given the facts StarlightsRabbitRescue choose to give you you have started a debate without all the knowledge hence you have set out with pitch folks and torches looking for blood
i think you all owe someone and apology espcially StarlightsRabbitRescue

areia
27-08-2009, 03:49 PM
no an i agree with most responces
those piccies are soooooooooooooo cuteeeeeeeee:love: