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Mackers
26-08-2009, 03:59 PM
:cry::cry: It's broken right through the elbow joint and needs to be wired back together. My bunny savvy vet says he needs to speak to an orthopedic surgeon before he attempts to operate and may need to refer him to a specialist. Worst case scenario is amputation. How bad do I feel right now? This is ALL my fault for attempting to bond a trio:cry::cry:

And so much for the emergency 'on call' vet on Sunday morning who told me she thought it was just a sprain :roll: (Note to self: always insist on an x-ray)

giantbunnymummy
26-08-2009, 04:00 PM
Oh no, poor Parsnip :(

I'm sure it's not your fault though! Loads of vibes for him.

Hugo's There
26-08-2009, 04:11 PM
Oh my God Sue, how awful :cry::cry::cry:

I really hope it can be fixed, poor Parsnip, sending tons of vibes his way xxx

Mackers
26-08-2009, 04:22 PM
Thank you. I just feel so bad. None of this would have happened if I hadn't tried to give a home to another rabbit. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but the guilt is awful. If they manage to wire the bone (and rabbit bones are very brittle apparently), he'll need confinment in a very small cage for at least three weeks. Obviously, Flora will have to stay with him - she'll be most put out!

Hugo's There
26-08-2009, 04:25 PM
Do you need a small indoor cage? I have a few spare here if you need to borrow one :wave:

When Bruse dislocated his hip he was confined for 6 weeks. Instead of Prudence staying with him full time I used to bring her in for 5 or 6 hours a day to sit with him in the cage. They still remained bonded during that time and it gave Bruce a chance to have some peace and quite to recover too :)

Mackers
26-08-2009, 04:28 PM
Do you need a small indoor cage? I have a few spare here if you need to borrow one :wave:

Bless you Liz - that's really kind but I think I'll be OK. I have my 48" dog crate that Pooh's in at the moment but I also have my puppy panels that I can make into another cage. Mum's currently using my 36" dog crate for her puppy but she'll bring that back to me if I need it. And I also have a 24" cage that he could stay in for the first couple of days after the op.

Daisylop
26-08-2009, 04:30 PM
Oh no!!! poor Parsnip,sending loads of vibes for him!!!![the more I hear the more I'm freaking about my trio bond in 3 weeks time:(]

Michelleox
26-08-2009, 04:32 PM
Hope Parsnip will be ok x

Mackers
26-08-2009, 04:59 PM
Oh no!!! poor Parsnip,sending loads of vibes for him!!!![the more I hear the more I'm freaking about my trio bond in 3 weeks time:(]

Don't panic! There's no reason why it shouldn't work - just because my trio clearly wasn't going to. It was a freak accident - he probably just landed awkwardly after his fisticuffs with Pooh and it possibly could have happened at any time such as jumping off a wall in the garden.

Milo+Fizz
26-08-2009, 05:03 PM
Don't panic! There's no reason why it shouldn't work - just because my trio clearly wasn't going to. It was a freak accident - he probably just landed awkwardly after his fisticuffs with Pooh and it possibly could have happened at any time such as jumping off a wall in the garden.

Exactly, listen to your own words and stop feeling guilty, this wasn't your fault! I wish him all the best and send lots of healing vibes. XxX

Carol X
26-08-2009, 05:07 PM
So sorry to hear about Parsnip.Hope things improve quickly. What vet do you use?

Mackers
26-08-2009, 05:09 PM
So sorry to hear about Parsnip.Hope things improve quickly. What vet do you use?

The Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic in Duston, Northampton. Simon Maddox and his wife Kim are amazing with bunnies.

Mackers
26-08-2009, 05:10 PM
Exactly, listen to your own words and stop feeling guilty, this wasn't your fault! I wish him all the best and send lots of healing vibes. XxX

I know you're right but it doesn't stop you feeling guilty all the same.

Milo+Fizz
26-08-2009, 05:12 PM
I know you're right but it doesn't stop you feeling guilty all the same.

I know :cry: its easy to say from this end but guilt is such a strong emotion. I hope you both feel better soon. :)

parsnipbun
26-08-2009, 06:02 PM
So sorry to hear this. My Parsley had a really bad break (broken two bones in three places in right hind leg) last year and was pinned back together in very very long op. Now you wouldn't even know - unless you x-rayed him!!! he still has a plate and 21 pins - some have been removed as they came loose.

We had it done at a specialist orthapaedics in Bedfordshire . . . they are a big referral place just to south of Silsoe. My own rabbit surgeon was on holiday (timing!!!) but might have referred anyway as Parsley also has heart problems and they have extra special monitors .

He wasn't confined that long to be honest.

Mackers
26-08-2009, 06:06 PM
So sorry to hear this. My Parsley had a really bad break (broken two bones in three places in right hind leg) last year and was pinned back together in very very long op. Now you wouldn't even know - unless you x-rayed him!!! he still has a plate and 21 pins - some have been removed as they came loose.

We had it done at a specialist orthapaedics in Bedfordshire . . . they are a big referral place just to south of Silsoe. My own rabbit surgeon was on holiday (timing!!!) but might have referred anyway as Parsley also has heart problems and they have extra special monitors .

He wasn't confined that long to be honest.

Thanks for that - it's very reassuring information. At least Silsoe's not that far away from me if he has to go to a specialist. My vet said that it can't be plated and pinned due to the location of the break and the fact that the bones are so small but he's planning on doing some 'figure of 8' thingy with wire to hold the joint together and stop the ligaments from pulling the break apart when he flexes his leg. Keeping everything crossed for a successful outcome.

prettylupin
26-08-2009, 06:09 PM
Oh dear, poor Parsnip :( Accidents happen in life, not your fault. I do hope he mends soon, lots of vibes for your little boy. :)

Carol X
26-08-2009, 07:43 PM
The Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic in Duston, Northampton. Simon Maddox and his wife Kim are amazing with bunnies.

Thank you. I have heard good things about them.

VikkiVet
26-08-2009, 07:55 PM
Thanks for that - it's very reassuring information. At least Silsoe's not that far away from me if he has to go to a specialist. My vet said that it can't be plated and pinned due to the location of the break and the fact that the bones are so small but he's planning on doing some 'figure of 8' thingy with wire to hold the joint together and stop the ligaments from pulling the break apart when he flexes his leg. Keeping everything crossed for a successful outcome.

Poor Parsnip, hope it all works out ok, and as you said, probably just a freak accident. I've seen a "figure of 8 thingy" done (cant remember the proper name either) in a very young kitten, which have similarly brittle bones, and it was fine a few weeks later. Think its supposed to work beter than plates and pins as the forces are more like they would be with intact bone, whereas plates can actually prevent bones from fusing properly (i know, orthopaedics are well complicated!) so it should heal nicely all being well.

Mackers
26-08-2009, 07:55 PM
Simon's just phoned me back after speaking with the orthopedic surgeon and he's decided to refer Parsnip to the specialist. So it doesn't look like he'll be having his op tomorrow, unless they can fit him in as an 'emergency'. Clearly, the op is going to be more tricky than first thought and Simon was concerned that if things didn't go according to plan, he didn't have enough specialist orthopedic equipment to give Parsnip the best chance of recovery. So tomorrow we're off to Moulton College in Northants to see the specialist othopedic vet. Poor Mr Snips:cry:

Hugo's There
26-08-2009, 07:58 PM
At least he will be getting the best possible care :)

I don't supose he's insured :?

Tinsel
26-08-2009, 08:03 PM
So sorry about Parsnip's leg. But you mustn't beat yourself up about it. I had 100% good intentions when I had Clover spayed, never dreaming I'd lose her, just like you had 100% good intentions in adopting Pooh/bonding him with Parsnip. If we could see into the future we might sometimes do things differently. But as it is, all we can do is make the best decision possible given the information available and the interests of the animals concerned.

I've been on the forum over a year, and I've never heard of a bunny breaking his leg in these cicumstances. It's like when buns go to the bridge through choking. We can't not feed them so as to avoid that risk.:( To act is to take a risk; not to act can also mean taking a risk. We get it right most of the time, and that's all any of us can hope for. What matters is how we deal with the consequences of our actions - how fully, how responsibly, how rigorously, how lovingly. As long as we get that right - as you so clearly are - that's all anyone can ask of us...

Mackers
26-08-2009, 08:10 PM
At least he will be getting the best possible care :)

I don't supose he's insured :?

I don't insure my animals Liz but I keep a savings account specifically for vet bills. I'm gonna need it as Simon's quoted a rough figure of 500-800 for the specialist vet, and that doesn't include 112 for the emergency vet on Sunday plus any care costs incurred whilst he's been with Simon. But that's exactly what I have the savings account for. I've never had to use it before because I don't usually use it for routine jabs etc, so it's certainly come into its own now.

Mackers
26-08-2009, 08:12 PM
So sorry about Parsnip's leg. But you mustn't beat yourself up about it. I had 100% good intentions when I had Clover spayed, never dreaming I'd lose her, just like you had 100% good intentions in adopting Pooh/bonding him with Parsnip. If we could see into the future we might sometimes do things differently. But as it is, all we can do is make the best decision possible given the information available and the interests of the animals concerned.

I've been on the forum over a year, and I've never heard of a bunny breaking his leg in these cicumstances. It's like when buns go to the bridge through choking. We can't not feed them so as to avoid that risk.:( To act is to take a risk; not to act can also mean taking a risk. We get it right most of the time, and that's all any of us can hope for. What matters is how we deal with the consequences of our actions - how fully, how responsibly, how rigorously, how lovingly. As long as we get that right - as you so clearly are - that's all anyone can ask of us...

You're absolutely right Nicky. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Rest assured Parsnip will get the best care possible, no matter what the cost. Poor Pooh - this all means he has no new family now - I'm gutted for him.

Jack's-Jane
26-08-2009, 08:13 PM
I have only just seen this
I am so sorry to here of Parsnip's injury :cry:

Mackers
26-08-2009, 08:14 PM
Thank you Jane. I'm trying very hard not to beat myself up about it but it's not easy.

Jack's-Jane
26-08-2009, 08:17 PM
Thank you Jane. I'm trying very hard not to beat myself up about it but it's not easy.

As others have said, you could never have forseen this.
My Harry sustained a compound fracture of a hind leg.......from doing an enormous Binky........:?

He did have a limb amputation but made a rapid recovery and is now just as loopy and manic as any 4 legged Bun.

Hugo's There
26-08-2009, 08:18 PM
I don't insure my animals Liz but I keep a savings account specifically for vet bills. I'm gonna need it as Simon's quoted a rough figure of 500-800 for the specialist vet, and that doesn't include 112 for the emergency vet on Sunday plus any care costs incurred whilst he's been with Simon. But that's exactly what I have the savings account for. I've never had to use it before because I don't usually use it for routine jabs etc, so it's certainly come into its own now.

At least that is something you wont have to worry about :) I think the quote seems very reasonalble, I'm sure parsnipbuns rabbit cost well over 1000.

Sending more vibes for Parsnip and a hug to you x

FriskyClover
26-08-2009, 08:21 PM
Simon's just phoned me back after speaking with the orthopedic surgeon and he's decided to refer Parsnip to the specialist. So it doesn't look like he'll be having his op tomorrow, unless they can fit him in as an 'emergency'. Clearly, the op is going to be more tricky than first thought and Simon was concerned that if things didn't go according to plan, he didn't have enough specialist orthopedic equipment to give Parsnip the best chance of recovery. So tomorrow we're off to Moulton College in Northants to see the specialist othopedic vet. Poor Mr Snips:cry:

Sorry to hear about Parsnip's leg. Please don't feel guilty, when Inky broke a bone in his foot, I didn't take him to the vets until about 24 hours after it had happened because he was so good at hiding it. I felt bad for ages that he was in pain and I hadn't noticed.

Moulton College has a pretty good vetrinary practice I think, they do training there in vetrinary medicine.

Mackers
26-08-2009, 08:21 PM
At least that is something you wont have to worry about :) I think the quote seems very reasonalble, I'm sure parsnipbuns rabbit cost well over 1000.

Sending more vibes for Parsnip and a hug to you x

Yup - Simon thought 1000 to 1500 was more 'normal' so even 800 is quite good. However, let's wait and see the bill in my hand before I congratulate myself:shock:

antigone
26-08-2009, 09:59 PM
Sending lots of vibes for Parsnip xx

lilbun
26-08-2009, 10:06 PM
I hope poor Mr Snip's leg feels better soon xx

parsnipbun
26-08-2009, 10:25 PM
At least that is something you wont have to worry about :) I think the quote seems very reasonalble, I'm sure parsnipbuns rabbit cost well over 1000.

Sending more vibes for Parsnip and a hug to you x

Indeed he did cost more than 1,000 - including initial vets fees and the 2nd op. its now up to more than 4,000 - but the main part was the specialists who operated in the referral surgery. They were 3,000 plus on their own - but we did have to have specialist anaesthesia team and it was a very long op. Though I have to say they were not rabbit specialist and didn't know about his eating needs afterwards.

We weren't insured . . . . now all of our buns are insured!!!

KarenM
27-08-2009, 07:09 AM
I'm so sorry to hear about Parsnip. Sending him all my love. xx

Bunnyaddict
27-08-2009, 07:17 AM
I've only just seen your thread on poor Parsnip - I'm so sorry to hear about him :cry: Sending him lots of vibes & snuggles, plus big ((((hugs)))) for you xx

Mackers
27-08-2009, 08:42 AM
Though I have to say they were not rabbit specialist and didn't know about his eating needs afterwards.



That's the only thing that worries me about referral vets. I've just drawn up a crib sheet for them explaining that he shouldn't be separated from Flora and what foods to tempt him with after the op. Plus simple things like they drink from a bowl, not a bottle. I've just put together a huge 'tuck box' for him :D

parsnipbun
27-08-2009, 11:59 AM
That's the only thing that worries me about referral vets. I've just drawn up a crib sheet for them explaining that he shouldn't be separated from Flora and what foods to tempt him with after the op. Plus simple things like they drink from a bowl, not a bottle. I've just put together a huge 'tuck box' for him :D

I did all that too - but what threw them was they didn't know how MUCH he should eat - they thought a few dandelion leaves was eating properly - whereas usually he eats a mountain of greens the size of himself at every sitting!! Turns out he had bitten his own tongue whilst coming round so couldn't eat properly (they had noticed this but didn't realise he was eating so little) - once we got him onto syringe feed bypassing the painful tongue we couldn't stop him!! he was gulping down a baby's bottle of critical care food in one go!!

Good Luck!! (PS although plating worked for us it is generally thought as a bit 'heavy' for rabbits ),

Mackers
27-08-2009, 03:31 PM
He's in this afternoon being operated on. They're planning on putting a pin through the top of either the tibia or fibia (sp?) - not sure which and then attaching a tension band to hold the break closed because the ligaments are pulling it apart all the time. Keeping everything crossed for him.

The vet nurse was so sweet with me. I handed over a HUGE bag of greens plus half a sack of dustfree hay and explained exactly why he should be kept with Flora (apart from when he was 'coming round'), how much to feed, what to tempt him with etc. I'd written it all down on a crib sheet for them and she went into raptures saying she wished everyone did that for their animals. Made me feel a whole lot better. She did actually know about keeping bonded pairs together and about tempting them to eat as soon as soon as possible after the op. I've left him with carrot tops, parsley, kale, spring greens, readigrass, green oat hay and dustfree hay! It looks like he's stopping for a week.

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 03:37 PM
He's in this afternoon being operated on. They're planning on putting a pin through the top of either the tibia or fibia (sp?) - not sure which and then attaching a tension band to hold the break closed because the ligaments are pulling it apart all the time. Keeping everything crossed for him.

The vet nurse was so sweet with me. I handed over a HUGE bag of greens plus half a sack of dustfree hay and explained exactly why he should be kept with Flora (apart from when he was 'coming round'), how much to feed, what to tempt him with etc. I'd written it all down on a crib sheet for them and she went into raptures saying she wished everyone did that for their animals. Made me feel a whole lot better. She did actually know about keeping bonded pairs together and about tempting them to eat as soon as soon as possible after the op. I've left him with carrot tops, parsley, kale, spring greens, readigrass, green oat hay and dustfree hay! It looks like he's stopping for a week.

It's great that they are doing it so quickly, will have my finger crossesd for him :)

Sounds like they are really good :D

Mackers
27-08-2009, 03:56 PM
It's great that they are doing it so quickly, will have my finger crossesd for him :)

Sounds like they are really good :D

One of the Directors of the practice is doing the op Liz - he's called Jeremy from Abington Park Vet Referrals and he's really nice. I checked out his credentials (:shock: so to speak!) and he clearly knows his stuff where bones are concerned. He was so sweet with me and explained everything in idiots terms :lol: He still estimated 500-800 though (although I just spent another 150 at my regular bunny vet this morning paying for the xrays, pain relief and hospitalisation etc). Waiting for a phonecall this evening as he didn't think he'd be operating until late this afternoon.

Wilbur
27-08-2009, 04:07 PM
Hope everything goes ok for Parsnip. X

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 04:10 PM
One of the Directors of the practice is doing the op Liz - he's called Jeremy from Abington Park Vet Referrals and he's really nice. I checked out his credentials (:shock: so to speak!) and he clearly knows his stuff where bones are concerned. He was so sweet with me and explained everything in idiots terms :lol: He still estimated 500-800 though (although I just spent another 150 at my regular bunny vet this morning paying for the xrays, pain relief and hospitalisation etc). Waiting for a phonecall this evening as he didn't think he'd be operating until late this afternoon.

Sounds like he really is getting the best possible treatment :D I'm sure it will go well :wave:

Mackers
27-08-2009, 07:39 PM
The surgeon's just this minute phoned me to say the surgery went very well. They've pinned the joint as well as applying a tension band to close the break and stop the ligaments pulling it apart.

Parsnip decided to stop breathing during the early part of surgery :shock: and they had to ventilate him until he decided it was OK to breathe again. He's now recovering and is on a drip and painkillers. They'll phone me in the morning to let me know how he is and whether I may be able to take him home.

I'm SO relieved. I'm also about 1000 poorer :lol::lol:

Hugo's There
27-08-2009, 07:41 PM
The surgeon's just this minute phoned me to say the surgery went very well. They've pinned the joint as well as applying a tension band to close the break and stop the ligaments pulling it apart.

Parsnip decided to stop breathing during the early part of surgery :shock: and they had to ventilate him until he decided it was OK to breathe again. He's now recovering and is on a drip and painkillers. They'll phone me in the morning to let me know how he is and whether I may be able to take him home.

I'm SO relieved. I'm also about 1000 poorer :lol::lol:

Phew, so relieved he is Ok even if he gave the surgeon a bit of a fright. That is one expensive bonding experience :shock:

I really hope you can bring him home soon, he is bound to recover well with all your care :)

Mackers
27-08-2009, 07:47 PM
That is one expensive bonding experience :shock:



Well I could have done without it to be honest but then I'd pay 10 times that if I could have my bunny back to full health again. However, I expect him to come back from the vets covered in gold-plate :lol::lol:

Wilbur
27-08-2009, 08:17 PM
Really pleased to hear Parsnip is doing so well. You must be very relieved!

Jack's-Jane
27-08-2009, 08:18 PM
I hope the brave Bun has a comfortable night and will be eating and pooing by the morning

xx

bunny babe
27-08-2009, 08:30 PM
Only just seen this, hope he recovers well and is home with you soon.

Sam_Spice
27-08-2009, 09:35 PM
Thats fantastic news! :D Vibes for the stong boy xxx

parsnipbun
27-08-2009, 10:09 PM
Thats great!!!

we always joke that Parsley's leg must be titanium it cost so much!!

Tinsel
28-08-2009, 08:25 AM
So relieved he recovered from the blip during the op..do hope he's doing well this morning!

donnamt
28-08-2009, 08:34 AM
omg how did i miss this :shock:

Poor Parsnip, sending loads of vibes xxxxxxx

Bunny Buddy
28-08-2009, 08:49 AM
Glad to hear he's got through the op okay. :D

*chickens out of bonding for now* :shock::shock: The bunnies I'm intending to bond - one's insured the other isn't, I ain't going to say the rest as I don't want to tempt fate but you can guess what my line of thought is :roll: Not that I'd want either my bunnies to go through that.

There's nothing quite like collecting a 'mended' bunny after something so major though and seeing their lovely little face again :love::love::love:

Daisylop
28-08-2009, 08:49 AM
Just read this as I was at work last night.Sending Parsnip loads and loads of get well vibes [and eating and pooing vibes].
Lesley

giantbunnymummy
28-08-2009, 09:58 AM
Great news Parsnip got through his op well :D

Loads more vibes for a happy, mended Parsnip at home with you soon.