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Mouth ulcer

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abbymarysmokey

Wise Old Thumper
Dixie has been looking a bit down since the weekend and started dribbling on Monday. I thought it must be molar spurs despite the fact that he didn't stop eating veg (which is the usual sign for him).

My vet couldn't see anything on a conscious examination, so he had a GA...which showed that his molars were fine, but that he had a large ulcer at the back of his mouth.

He's had pain relief and has been put on a course of penicilin just in case it's a bacterial infection.

Neither the vet or I have any idea why he has this mouth ulcer. It isn't caused by his teeth (although he does have teeth problems and had a tooth root infection in his incisors around this time last year).


So, any thoughts on a possible cause? And how should we be treating it?
 
There was a thread concerning a bunny with this a few days ago. Maybe someone can find it?
So yes, it can happen. I have seen some terrible ulcer in dogs with kidney disease.
There are other possible causes though: injury from something such as a thorn; bacterial infection, poss secondary to underlying illness such as pasteurella; maybe even contact with a plant with toxic sap.
 
I have had a number of bunnies with mouth ulcers that have had kidney failure :( I do think it is fairly common unfortunately.

I would definately get bloods done.

If it is something treatable which I really hope it is, it may be worth treating the ulcer with Antepsin liquid. This has worked well for us in the past. :)
 
Dixie went back for a check up last night. He's no better, and his chest is constantly wet from dribbling so much :(

The vet said that his breath would smell from the urea if it was kidney failure, added to the fact that he has reasonable body weight and coat condition, so was inclined to think that it isn't that at this stage.
 
abbymarysmokey said:
Dixie went back for a check up last night. He's no better, and his chest is constantly wet from dribbling so much :(

The vet said that his breath would smell from the urea if it was kidney failure, added to the fact that he has reasonable body weight and coat condition, so was inclined to think that it isn't that at this stage.
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Yesterday Marie (Kubiak) suggested we treat Maya's severe mouth ulcer with Antepsin (aswell as the abx she's already on). Apparently Antepsin can promote healing in oral ulcers aswell as those lower down in the GI tract. Marie also said that Renal Failure related ulcers tend to cover a wider area, lots of little ulcers, rather than one or two larger lesions.
 
Jack's-Jane said:
Yesterday Marie (Kubiak) suggested we treat Maya's severe mouth ulcer with Antepsin (aswell as the abx she's already on). Apparently Antepsin can promote healing in oral ulcers aswell as those lower down in the GI tract. Marie also said that Renal Failure related ulcers tend to cover a wider area, lots of little ulcers, rather than one or two larger lesions.
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I already suggested Antepsin in my earlier post :) We used it successfully on a bunny a few years ago.
 
abbymarysmokey said:
Can it be used for mouth ulcers? I've googled it, but seems to say that it's for ulcers in the intestines?
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Yes, we even used it on our cat when she had a tongue ulcer :) They don't even have to swallow it, as long as it just goes in the mouth enough to coat the ulcer. Luckily Lewis (bunny) loved the taste but the cat didn't, so that was fun :roll::lol:
 
Antepsin primarily is used for stomach ulcers as it neutralises stomach acid, preventing further damage. However, it binds to the ulcer surface as well so acts as a barrier to further chemical damage/irritation (though little resistance to mechanical damage).
Just to add - although typically renal related ulcers are usually multiple smaller ones this does not completely rule out renal disease with large ulcers. If there are any other signs - particularly drinking/urinating more, history of EC, weight loss, lethargy or failure of the ulcers to heal then blood tests to check the kidneys would be a very good idea.
 
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