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Bunnie's been having weekly poo Blowouts!

CRBevis

Mama Doe
Ok for a few months now once a week Bunnie goes a bit quite for a day.
Next morning there are usually 2 biggish blobs of soft poo with normal raisons stuck to it and under it sometimes there is a stain on the newspaper just like as if a coloured fluid had been split there. the colour ranges from brown to a dark purple/brown colour. For the rest of the week she is all bright eyed and bushy tailed until a week later it happens again. She is not under or overweight and there has been no sudden weight loss or anything untoward and her normal raisons are nice and big and full of munched hay.

We have thought that it is a load of ceacals that for some reason she did not want to eat and had trodden in squishing them all together into a soft smooth blob.

Today I decided to take a closer look at it and pulled it apart and found that inside the smooth blob of poo it looks basically like humans poo when the stools are a tiny weenie bit loose.

We have found uneaten cecals before and examined them and they look nothing like this blob does inside.

She is perfectly happy and healthy, jabs all up to date teeth look great from all the hay eating she gets panacurred every 6 months

Her diet consists of

Timothy hay at all times which she eats loads of
Breakie - 10 pieces of Oxbow Bunny Basics T
Dinner 5pm - 1 fine trimmed bean and a piece of Spring Green about 3" x 3".

She loves her Timothy hay and this is the majority of her diet.

She does not have much veg or pellet because we find anymore, and she gets an upset tummy every other day.


Health History

She has had Stasis x2 in her nearly 3 years of life
1st - Xmas 07 - due to having cauliflour for first time and too much of it

2nd -March 08 - we are not sure but it was the morning after bad winds and rain that she started to eat less hay and by day 3 had stopped pooing but we caught it early and she was eating and pooping after seeing vet on way to hospital where she stayed so they could keep an eye on her.
The march stasis had the vet puzzled because she was in discomfort with the top of her tummy but he could not feel any abnormalities during or after this bout.

Even when we give her avipro in her water for a while she still has her once a week blowout!

We are going to pop in vets and tell them and ask if we can have her poo sent of to see if any nasties but was wondering if anyone elses bun has this or if anyone ever heard of this before.:).
 
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lol if it was me id be wearing them suits that toxic people wear lol and would have foot long prongs :lol:
 
:wave: i know exactly what you mean..disgusting but has to be done;)

i cannot get bif clear of her tum probs probably never will...its a nervous conditon with her. when she gets as bad as bunnie though i biy some tubes of fibreplex..its not a cure but it does help abit....and bif does just do them once or twice int he same time frame every day..instead of all day everyday like she used to. try an all hay diet for a few days too..its what i have to do every week for 48hrs for her..she aodres her greens but it doesnt help her tum..she loves fresh mint but even that does it..but i just make the amounts smaller.

does she have a dental prob do you think..sometimes it can be sooo subtle it can be easily missed......bifs always like that then too.

actually berties bene like that..hes been not himself..but hes not to good with greens these days either and cos willow eats more than him i worry he gets too much pelelts buti reckon its the right amount for a frenhcie..but again stress does it to him....and hes had a bit of that lately with me...my last fit has made him very nervy.

have you been feleing down or ill..have you been having a few arguemtns with someone in the room or odwn the phone.....they are amazingly sensitive and perceptive little creatures and it does affect them..i end up having probs iwth my eldelry mum when she comes orund or even on the phone..she came over the other day and berties tum hasnt bene right since....neither has bif....but then bifs tum is a law unto itself.

if youre not happy ring up and ask to speak to your vet:wave:
 
Have you tried cutting out greens completely for a couple of weeks?

What's a fine trimmed bean?
 
bean and a piece of Spring Green

is a bit soft. But it all depends on the bun. This is no difference than human. For e.g., grapes is too soft for me, and I have stomach ache even w/ a small amt.

So as long as the diet is 80% timothy hay, then I would change the green to say spinach for a while.

Or like Tam said, stopped it for a while and if there is no blow out, then you'll know
 
Have you tried cutting out greens completely for a couple of weeks?

What's a fine trimmed bean?



Trimmed is because they have cut ends of but basically it a fine bean.

They sell them in all supermarkets in trays with a load of them in.
 
:wave: i know exactly what you mean..disgusting but has to be done;)

i cannot get bif clear of her tum probs probably never will...its a nervous conditon with her. when she gets as bad as bunnie though i biy some tubes of fibreplex..its not a cure but it does help abit....and bif does just do them once or twice int he same time frame every day..instead of all day everyday like she used to. try an all hay diet for a few days too..its what i have to do every week for 48hrs for her..she aodres her greens but it doesnt help her tum..she loves fresh mint but even that does it..but i just make the amounts smaller.

does she have a dental prob do you think..sometimes it can be sooo subtle it can be easily missed......bifs always like that then too.

actually berties bene like that..hes been not himself..but hes not to good with greens these days either and cos willow eats more than him i worry he gets too much pelelts buti reckon its the right amount for a frenhcie..but again stress does it to him....and hes had a bit of that lately with me...my last fit has made him very nervy.

have you been feleing down or ill..have you been having a few arguemtns with someone in the room or odwn the phone.....they are amazingly sensitive and perceptive little creatures and it does affect them..i end up having probs iwth my eldelry mum when she comes orund or even on the phone..she came over the other day and berties tum hasnt bene right since....neither has bif....but then bifs tum is a law unto itself.

if youre not happy ring up and ask to speak to your vet:wave:


:wave:

Well I not unwell but Wayne is terminally ill with cystic Fibrosis but even at times when feels really unwell no one would know it as it not seeable or senseable.

Bunnie always happy and bright except 12 or so hours before the blow out.


With regards to arguments we never argue, only time we get snappy is when Bunnie has got ill and then we are like a pair of parents getting snappy with each other cos worried and stressed:roll:

Are vets is Animed in Gosport with Robin, but he isn't as knowledgeable as the two at the cowplane one.

Will pop in and ask about getting her poo tested and see what he says.
 
is a bit soft. But it all depends on the bun. This is no difference than human. For e.g., grapes is too soft for me, and I have stomach ache even w/ a small amt.

So as long as the diet is 80% timothy hay, then I would change the green to say spinach for a while.

Or like Tam said, stopped it for a while and if there is no blow out, then you'll know

I have said for ages to Wayne that we should stop her veg altogether as I have always been convinced it is the veg which is why we decreased it and so did her blowouts.

We are going to stop all veg for a month or more and see what happens and then by process of elimination see if it one of the veg or both.

Fingers crossed:)
 
:wave: bunnie def needs vegcutting out..iknow htey say more grens stops it but i have not found that at all...and certain greens worse than others..ie cabbage,greens,kale,broccoli,cauliflower,romaine lettuce....mind you ive even tired bif on watercress..rocket and baby spinach..ooh no....

actually beans are a bit of a prob to a lot of buns....

actually this tummy condition is usually a sign that something is wrong somewhere with your rabbit

"When a rabbit is ill, in pain, or is suffering from emotional stress, the most common physiological response is a slowing of the normal peristaltic movements of the intestine. This results in cecal dysbiosis, with all the accompanying problems of runny stool, and possible inflammation of the intestinal lining (enteritis). "

"The cecum is a delicately balanced ecosystem. If the intestine is moving too slowly, or if the rabbit is getting a diet too rich in digestible carbohydrates and too low in crude fiber, the complex population of bacteria in the cecum can become "unbalanced." This condition, known as CECAL DYSBIOSIS."


the whole article is here..and worth saving/bookmarking

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html


and this

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html


"# Does your rabbit get insufficient fiber in her diet?
# Are you giving her too many starchy treats?
# Does she have an underlying infection or illness that's causing enough pain/stress to shut down her intestine?
# Does she have overgrown molars or an abscessed tooth? (NOTE: It is wise to check this possibility at the first sign of any change in your rabbit's eating habits. If your bunny has overgrown molars, this alone can cause an unwillingness to eat certain items, or even result in complete anorexia.)
# Have there been major changes in the household that are causing psychological stress to the bunny (loss of the bunny's bonded partner, a new pet in the house, visitors, construction, etc.)? "

ooh i thought robin peale was senior to rob?

not sure if petra will be returning for quite a while yet.....robs still there and at the hopsital itself..you can ask for a second opinion and either se rob at cowplain or shedfield or see the senior vet who also is a little critter specialist..caroline who somethiems does sat mornings at cowplain......do you have tracey as the receptionist there? and do you get mr hard to talk to..mark as a vet there too? hes ok but hard to talk to..bit hard going:shock:

is it worth asking for a bunny vet on here etc in your area if youre not happy?

i am going to order some more bio lapis and treat the water and food of both little buns..will help bif a bit and wont hurt bandit.....ive restricted food still and uped the hay....shes still smooshed the hutch floor...but normaly by midday to 2 o clock shes finished doing them......shes pooing loads and their finally the size of bandits! but madam prefers to eat the russell rabbit bedding straw than hay but its still good fibre..then she munches down on the hay:lol:

cut out any and all veg, fruit,treats and reduce pellets to two small egg cups every 24hrs...shell want her hay then i can assure you..not for the first 24 or 48 hrs but after that..it works here everytime!! and bifs as fussy as bunnie i can assure you.

maybe shes benefit form bio lapis inher water for a month and a tube of fibreplex once a month like we did with bif for a while..must restart it again..it helped her a bit not a cure but helped..least it keeps her form getitng stasis again;)
 
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"# Does your rabbit get insufficient fiber in her diet? Hay is 98% of her diet
# Are you giving her too many starchy treats? She doesn't have any starchy treats
# Does she have an underlying infection or illness that's causing enough pain/stress to shut down her intestine? Don't know
# Does she have overgrown molars or an abscessed tooth? (NOTE: It is wise to check this possibility at the first sign of any change in your rabbit's eating habits. If your bunny has overgrown molars, this alone can cause an unwillingness to eat certain items, or even result in complete anorexia.) Teeth are 100% Robin thoroughly checked them for over 5 minutes.

# Have there been major changes in the household that are causing psychological stress to the bunny (loss of the bunny's bonded partner, a new pet in the house, visitors, construction, etc.)? " Nope

ooh i thought robin peale was senior to rob? Robin is good last time she had stasis he kept travelling to shedfield to check on her himself as he thought it strange where her discomfort was and how she started eating 10 minutes after her jabs.



We have stopped all veg now she is just on Hay and readygrass and about 15 Oxbow Bunny Basics T pellets a day.

All she has had to eat since March when had the second ever bout of stasis is 15 pellets of oxbow , fine bean and spring green but a tiny amount and then tonnes of hay. This seemed to decrease her uneaten soft blobs and reduced them to once a week big blow out. She doesn'y have fruit as it does upset her tummy. Hopefully stopping the veg will stop the problem altogether and maybe she a bun who can't have fruit or veg. When she does her ceacals sometimes there is alot of fluid on the paper and her blankey which obviously may be due to the slow transit and all the water it absorbs as it goes through.

Today - sunday we gave her her dinner couple of pellet and a bit of readigrass but turned her nose up 15 minutes later she went funny for about 10 mins laying on her side with head up to side and her whole body was shaking as though her heart was going ten to the dozen, her eyes were half shut and we could pick her up and touch her bum and leg which is unheard of. After - she sat up and seemed fine, but wouldn't eat. Took about 15 minutes to eat anything and now she seems perfectly fine and is stuffing her face with hay and pooping.

Going to go to vet get poo culture done and blood tests to be safe.
Hopefully Robin or Caroline is in this week as we don't like to see anyone else.

Thanks for your help and advice Purplebumble.:)
 
:shock: im so sorry didnt realise how strict a diet she was on...it sounds like bif...watery sometimes think theyve peed blood and its not its runny poo with wee and soft poops..ewwww

im so sorry to hear about the wierd turn..im keeping fingers crossed just posted on that thread.

when they tok bloods from bif cos of this cecal whatever symptoms they took her back to shedfield as they needed to have a nurse help them and slightly sedate her! they took a lot of blood out the vet said and it showed she was positive for EC at 10%. but its not a masisve high titre so fingers crossed keep them all panacured and should be ok.

it cpuld have been many things..bifs had something milder when having a massive stress attack...i thought shed died it was the same day she lost her husbun oscar....we all flipped out but shed been with the body for about 4 hours:cry:

hopefully it wont be anything serious..im hoping very hard for you all.
 
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