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Siona
05-06-2008, 04:20 PM
It came on suddenly this morning after several days of threatening since they were all drastically overfed while I was away on holiday. :roll::(

He's been to the vet and had a gut stimulant, Metacam and an antibiotic injection just incase he's absorbed bacteria through the gut wall.

I've been syringeing fluid and hes nibbled some grass but there is so much gas rumbling around when I rub his tummy, and when it does he grinds his teeth so hard I can't bear it!! :cry::cry::cry:

I don't know what to do, he won't run around or drink on his own or eat, and his tummy feels like every bit of intestine is sticking out individually. It's never been this bad before, I'm so afraid I'll lose him.... :cry::cry::cry:

elve
05-06-2008, 04:34 PM
awww I'm sorry he's poorly - what a worry :( gut stimulant should not be given unless the vet has checked for a blockage. If they were overfed when you were away it's likely with moulting as they all seem to be at the mo, that his guts have slowed right down and are overful. gut stimulant is not a good idea, and neither are antibiotics as they will kill the good bacteria in the gut just when they are needed most. the only thing that will help him pass it through is hay and water water and more water, so you are doing right by syringing fluids - I syringe 10ml an hour plus 1ml of infacol baby wind medicine - if you don't have any it's worth nipping out for some :)

SarahP
05-06-2008, 04:35 PM
Sorry to hear this. :( He probably won't eat by himself until the poos start coming out. Just keep on syringing the fluids. You might also want to try some peppermint tea, obviously cooled down. I find that really helpful.

Jack's-Jane
05-06-2008, 04:36 PM
Oh dear poor Dougal :cry:

It sounds as though he may need a stronger painkiller than Metacam and also fluids by either subcutaneous injection or IV via a catheter in his ear.

Did the Vet rule out an obstruction? I do hope so. Personally I would have another word with the Vet who may suggest admitting Dougal for Intensive nursing. Vet may also want to administer some different medication to ease the pain he is obviously in.

I do hope that he will start to recover very soon

Janex

Siona
05-06-2008, 04:39 PM
He's liking the peppermint tea actually, lapping it from the syringe. THe vet had a proper poke around inside him :shock: and found hard matter but didn't think it was a blockage, but I'm so so worried. :(
I know I shouldn't feel angry because my friends were helping me out - but I left instructions that they ignored and if he doesn't make it will be their fault.

donnamt
05-06-2008, 06:16 PM
awww poor little boy.. hope he feels better soon..

evil stasis :evil:

lots of vibes xxxxxxxxxx

bunny_burrows
05-06-2008, 06:18 PM
I know it may be hard if he doesn't want to move but try to keep him running around. It should help keep his tummy going. Other than that just keep up with the syringe feeding (little and often) to keep his gut moving and give him some gentle tummy rubs. I hope he is ok.

charlie82
05-06-2008, 06:32 PM
Vibes to Dougal...it is more likely that it was the stress of you being away that brought on the stasis as opposed to over feeding being that stress is the main culprit of stasis and some buns are more easily prone than others. I really hope he pulls through....

Siona
05-06-2008, 06:40 PM
I know it may be hard if he doesn't want to move but try to keep him running around. It should help keep his tummy going. Other than that just keep up with the syringe feeding (little and often) to keep his gut moving and give him some gentle tummy rubs. I hope he is ok.

THanks. :) I'm doing those things, I'm just so worried that he hasn't been like this before and neither has Doris reacted to him in the way that she is.

She's sitting over him and washing his head and she keeps putting her paws over him. SHe won't eat either. Not properly. She will nibble at things but then returns straight to him and won't take treats. I'm afraid she knows something I don't. :cry:

Also, what the heck will she do if we lose him? She's so upset right now. :(

bunny babe
05-06-2008, 07:00 PM
Can't add anything more than anyone else. Try to temp him to eat anything, get any type of herbs to tempt him, dandelion, kale etc. Lots of fluids if you can. Tummy rubs and be cruel to be kind and get him to move around.

I hope he improves for you soon.

Jayney
05-06-2008, 07:02 PM
oh dear i hope dougal is feeling better soon

SarahP
05-06-2008, 07:37 PM
Dusty used to be very affected by Clover being in stasis, whereas Clover didn't seem to mind too much if Dusty was. I wouldn't worry that it means something terrible.

Really hope you get some poos soon, or I'd definitely be taking Dougal back to the vet.

Lea-Anne
05-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Oh my gosh how scary:shock:. Can't really add anything new but would just like to say I am rooting for Dougal:cry:.

Siona
05-06-2008, 07:59 PM
He's gone back to the vet. Doris has gone too this time. They are keeping him in overnight and giving him IV fluid and more pain relief and they'll try another gut stimulant later. I refused to let them force feed just incase there is a blockage though, although he thinks there isn't.

His body temp had dropped more, and the swelling increased, so the vet isn't hopeful for recovery. :cry: I've got all my bits crossed, but my heart is breaking.

Thanks for all your vibes x

SarahP
05-06-2008, 08:06 PM
I've got everything crossed for Dougal. The fluids alone might perk him up. Anyway, he's in the right place. x

Kirsty&Lola
05-06-2008, 08:08 PM
oh no, sending tons of vibes for your little one. i do hope he can fight it and pull through. thinking of you x

Becki xX
05-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Sending a million trillion vibes, Please get better quickly sweetheart :cry: X

Becky's Bunnies
05-06-2008, 08:22 PM
really hope hes feeling better soon.
x

Jack's-Jane
05-06-2008, 08:26 PM
He's gone back to the vet. Doris has gone too this time. They are keeping him in overnight and giving him IV fluid and more pain relief and they'll try another gut stimulant later. I refused to let them force feed just incase there is a blockage though, although he thinks there isn't.

His body temp had dropped more, and the swelling increased, so the vet isn't hopeful for recovery. :cry: I've got all my bits crossed, but my heart is breaking.

Thanks for all your vibes x


You have done absolutely the right thing in getting him back to the Vets and I really hope that he will respond to treatment.
Well done for being so good at making sure Dougal gets every possible help.
Please keep us updated about him, I know how upset and worried you must be.

Janex

donnamt
05-06-2008, 08:57 PM
He's gone back to the vet. Doris has gone too this time. They are keeping him in overnight and giving him IV fluid and more pain relief and they'll try another gut stimulant later. I refused to let them force feed just incase there is a blockage though, although he thinks there isn't.

His body temp had dropped more, and the swelling increased, so the vet isn't hopeful for recovery. :cry: I've got all my bits crossed, but my heart is breaking.

Thanks for all your vibes x

awww hun i thought that when alvin was admitted after a whole day of no change after the first vets visit.. im 100% convinced the drip is what saved him and i also think now your baby has been admitted he will recover... they are like a miracle them iv things.. i got the no promises speech too its the vets way of preparing us for the worst and not having any "BUT you said hed be fine" thrown at them if it does go wrong...

sending loads of vibes xxxxx

bunny_burrows
05-06-2008, 09:37 PM
I know it's scary having him at the vets but I promise you it'll help. A while ago when my Millie was very ill with statis she was admitted to have fluids and I was so terrified, however when I got her home she was doing much better!

Sending you lots of vibes. Xx

drpengie
06-06-2008, 07:38 AM
I do hope Dougal gets better soon. Big vibes x

*Bex*
06-06-2008, 09:29 AM
Vibes for Dougal xx

sasha_108
06-06-2008, 09:38 AM
Fingers and toes crossed for Dougal. I hope you get some good news today:cry:

catswhiskas
06-06-2008, 10:23 AM
Any news?

Siona
06-06-2008, 11:33 AM
He's still in. :(
No improvement overnight, infact his body temp dropped further. THey took X rays and discovered his entire intestine is distorted and distended dispite there being no blockage - its just stopped working. I think his megacolon has caught up with him. :cry:

THey are continueing with the pain relief, fluids, and metaclopromide (sp) but now started propulsid too. THey are giving him another 24 hours and then I have to make THE decision. :(:(:(

I'm just glad that Doris is with him.

MaxiandScottandbuns
06-06-2008, 11:41 AM
Oh Siona im so so sorry:( Sending MASSIVE thoughts to Dougal, come on little guy

Jayney
06-06-2008, 11:43 AM
oh no poor dougal

sending my love to you, dougal and doris

bluebunny
06-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Awwww i do hope they can do something xxx

Becki xX
06-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Sending millions of vibes :cry: Come on little one, fight this XX

Sooz
06-06-2008, 01:02 PM
Oh dear, I'm so sorry he is so bad. It sounds like the vets are doing everything they can for him.

Sending tonnes of (((vibes))) to you both.

rachelsawyer
06-06-2008, 01:04 PM
oh so sorry, sending lotssssssss of vibes for this poor bunster xxx oh and for you:wave:

SarahP
06-06-2008, 01:17 PM
I really hope you get some good news. x

catswhiskas
06-06-2008, 01:23 PM
Vibes for your baby... come on little one, pull through xxx

SOAD
06-06-2008, 01:56 PM
Sending lots of vibes. XXXX

Kirsty&Lola
06-06-2008, 05:50 PM
sending loads of vibes, i really hope he can pull through this. what a worry. thinking of you

Siona
06-06-2008, 06:31 PM
I just went to visit him and took him some food and treats. Hes passed some waste, but its really no more than fluid with a bit of faecal matter in it. He smells, and they've bathed him because he messed himself. :(

On the board they've got him diagnosed as having bloat, but they haven't said this to me once.
THey say he's improving though, and I'm inclined to agree because he ate a little peice of carrot and some dandelion leaves that I took him, but no pellets or hay yet.
He's in another night and then we'll see I guess. :(

bluebunny
06-06-2008, 06:35 PM
I just went to visit him and took him some food and treats. Hes passed some waste, but its really no more than fluid with a bit of faecal matter in it. He smells, and they've bathed him because he messed himself. :(

On the board they've got him diagnosed as having bloat, but they haven't said this to me once.
THey say he's improving though, and I'm inclined to agree because he ate a little peice of carrot and some dandelion leaves that I took him, but no pellets or hay yet.
He's in another night and then we'll see I guess. :(

Awww i really hope hes ok xx
Claude was poorly last night so i know how you feel,try to stay strong xx

parsnipbun
06-06-2008, 06:37 PM
Even just a little bit of food is good news .. . keep hoping and praying! Maybe everything was jus so bunged up with overfeeding and now the liquid is beginning to ease it through. If he is passing anything at all it means there is not a complete blockage or a gut twist (which is what my willow had).

parsnipbun
06-06-2008, 06:37 PM
PS Can you leave more dandelion with him or take more in???

Siona
06-06-2008, 06:42 PM
PS Can you leave more dandelion with him or take more in???

Now the vet nurses know he'll eat that they said they'll pick more, as they'd given him grass before. :)

parsnipbun
06-06-2008, 07:15 PM
Re the liquid coming out with just a bit of fecal matter.

When willow had a gut twisted, when they put her under the GA for the op to try and untwist it, they said that vile smelling green liquid just poured out of her (as the GA 'overcomes' the non vomiting thing in rabbits and it can then come up that way). Maybe if Dougal IS now passing things through its that sort of yukky liquid that had built up and now its getting through???

Just a thought - and an optimistic one!!!

FudgesMummy
07-06-2008, 09:25 AM
sending a top up of warm snugglie bunny healing vibes....now come on dougal you know you want to munch lovely stuff for your doris and mummy x fudge says you have to get better as needs a pal to talk to :D

SOAD
07-06-2008, 10:07 AM
Awwwwwww you must be so stressed :(

Siona
07-06-2008, 05:29 PM
Hes still in for another night :( They are syringe feeding and continueing fluids and meds and Ive got to see how he is in the morning.
He will still eat dandelions though, which is a good sign. :) Doris is being a good attentive wifey too. :)
They still haven't told me that it's bloat, its only on the board as that. Whats the difference between that and stasis?

elve
07-06-2008, 05:44 PM
stasis is when the guts slow down and become stationary - bloat is when the guts bloat up with gas. Usually stasis leads to bloat if it doesn't get better as gas builds up the longer the stomach contents are just left sitting there, due to bacterial action. Usually bloat is caused by a blockage, so the stomach blows up like a balloon. When Pepsi had bloat he looked like he had a tennis ball stuck up his jumper - that size. Vet gave him metaclop and told me to force feed him - I didn't know any better :( They can resolve bloat by intubation - but they need a very small bore tube, like you'd use for making wine, and a syringe to squirt water down the tube every few seconds, as it soon gets clogged with hair etc. from the stomach - that can be used to syphon the air out of the stomach. If he's eating dandelions I can't imagine it's bloat as that's pretty serious - so it does sound a bit hopeful now for him :)

Siona
07-06-2008, 06:44 PM
stasis is when the guts slow down and become stationary - bloat is when the guts bloat up with gas. Usually stasis leads to bloat if it doesn't get better as gas builds up the longer the stomach contents are just left sitting there, due to bacterial action. Usually bloat is caused by a blockage, so the stomach blows up like a balloon. When Pepsi had bloat he looked like he had a tennis ball stuck up his jumper - that size. Vet gave him metaclop and told me to force feed him - I didn't know any better :( They can resolve bloat by intubation - but they need a very small bore tube, like you'd use for making wine, and a syringe to squirt water down the tube every few seconds, as it soon gets clogged with hair etc. from the stomach - that can be used to syphon the air out of the stomach. If he's eating dandelions I can't imagine it's bloat as that's pretty serious - so it does sound a bit hopeful now for him :)

They said that on the x ray it showed his gut was completely blown out and distorted with gas, and when you feel his stomach you can feel every strand of intestine, bit they couldn't find an impaction to cause it. Unless its just because the peristaltic action has stopped because of his megacolon condition, and then he's stuffed. :(

uniqueanneek
07-06-2008, 06:49 PM
Oh dear, only just seen this! Hope Dougal gets that silly blockage cleared soon, and his system gets moving again! I'm glad he has Doris with him!

(((vibes)))

Steph
07-06-2008, 06:54 PM
Sending lots of vibes to Dougal xx

Fran
07-06-2008, 07:18 PM
Only just seen this, poor Dougal :( Sending loads of vibes for you both xx

SOAD
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
Gosh what a worry, sending vibes :(

Siona
10-06-2008, 08:39 PM
Hes home! :) Hes not mended yet though. He stinks like a pig farm and is passing a clear fluid alongside his stools, which are soft. :roll:

They've shaved his butt and made him look like a rat with a silly poofy bit on the end of his tail! :lol: We had a long cuddle when he got home and he ground his teeth and went to sleep on me. :love: I missed him sooo much.

He will eat fresh food and very small bits of pellets and hay, especially if I sprinkle dried basil on it :) but won't drink, Im not overly worried yet though because of all the fresh stuff hes eating.

I had to bath him because he was filthy and he stank, now he just smells because he keeps trumping and squelching :shock: although earlier he did a dump almost the same size as him!! I'm guessing thats a good thing! :lol: He ate some of it too. :mrgreen:

I am a bit worried though because he keeps having bad patches where he is obviously in pain and hunches up again, then shakes it off and starts moving again and eats.

I wonder if Fibroplex would help? The vet wants to charge me the earth for it though. :roll:

Jayney
10-06-2008, 10:18 PM
:Dreally glad dougal is home

donnamt
10-06-2008, 10:21 PM
awwww hun hes been in for so long :shock:

really really happy hes home, sending loads of new vibes for him xxxxx

FudgesMummy
10-06-2008, 10:39 PM
wooohoooo fantastic news......although did look a little ruffled post bathtime :love:

so glad the braintree one has won his appeal and is starting to get better :D

Siona
10-06-2008, 11:11 PM
He's all dry now, I wooshed him with the hairdryer :)

Im being a bit rubbish on the computer tonight because my screen is playing up again. :roll: Ive got it balanced at 45 degrees backwards and sideways just so i can see at the mo but it makes typing very hard! :lol::lol:

FudgesMummy
10-06-2008, 11:31 PM
ooooooooooooo laptop yoga!

says she who manged to crunch her shoulder in aerobics tonight and now has a sore elbow and sticky out shouldr blade again :(

parsnipbun
11-06-2008, 09:36 AM
Thats great news!

When Willow came home from her gut operation 24 hours later she did a pooh the size of my fist!!!!:oops:

Not sure how she managed to get it through her little bum but it was a huge mass all stuck together!!! Poor little soul kept rushing from corner to corner of the cage for about 2 hours beforehand straining and (like Dougal) looked like she was in pain again. She did another slightly smaller one the next day and some squidgies - and then it was back to normal.

It was SO enormous I squeezed it inti a jam har and took it to my vets to show them when she had her daily check up . . it was VERY smelly:oops::oops::oops:

Siona
11-06-2008, 01:55 PM
Thats great news!

When Willow came home from her gut operation 24 hours later she did a pooh the size of my fist!!!!:oops:

Not sure how she managed to get it through her little bum but it was a huge mass all stuck together!!! Poor little soul kept rushing from corner to corner of the cage for about 2 hours beforehand straining and (like Dougal) looked like she was in pain again. She did another slightly smaller one the next day and some squidgies - and then it was back to normal.

It was SO enormous I squeezed it inti a jam har and took it to my vets to show them when she had her daily check up . . it was VERY smelly:oops::oops::oops:

:lol::lol::lol:

He's bright as a button today, running about and eating and drinking everything in sight.:) He even dived headfirst into the tank when I was spraying my stick insects and started munching!! :shock: Luckily I got to them before he did! :lol:

His poops are much better today too, he's much more like my little Dougal bun again. :) :) We're going for a check up this afternoon though so I'll know for sure then.

ETA: GLadys lollopped past me last night too and he immediately ran over and tried to pick a fight with her ( he is a giant bunny in a little bunnies body :roll:) so he must be feeling better!! :lol:

donnamt
11-06-2008, 02:26 PM
awww im sooooo happy hes back to normal :) :)

catswhiskas
11-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Yay this is fantastic news!!!

elve
11-06-2008, 03:14 PM
awww that sounds great :D