Rabbit fur on ebay?

[Vanessa-nessa]

I spotted this on ebay. Made of rabbit fur - ugh! Surely this isnt allowed? Should I report it?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cat-Stuffed-Animal-Office-Decoration-Ornament-Gift-Toy_W0QQitemZ350063484422QQihZ022QQcategoryZ10034Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[x-baby-bella-x]

I spotted this on ebay. Made of rabbit fur - ugh! Surely this isnt allowed? Should I report it?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cat-Stuffed-Animal-Office-Decoration-Ornament-Gift-Toy_W0QQitemZ350063484422QQihZ022QQcategoryZ10034Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's a gift so maybe?

Diana xx

[The Duchess]

Sadly I don't think there is anything that says they can't be sold on ebay. It's only the real thing that they don't allow.

You can buy full fur coats and rabbit trimmed cardigans etc etc on ebay. Very sad but true.

[Vanessa-nessa]

i was going to say "oh, ok" but its not really, is it.

flipping ebay :censored:

[minirex]

I spotted this on ebay. Made of rabbit fur - ugh! Surely this isnt allowed? Should I report it?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cat-Stuffed-Animal-Office-Decoration-Ornament-Gift-Toy_W0QQitemZ350063484422QQihZ022QQcategoryZ10034Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not really much different from clothing and accessories made from leather, so sadly I don't think you can report it. You can also buy stuffed animals on eBay :(

[Vanessa-nessa]

Not really much different from clothing and accessories made from leather, so sadly I don't think you can report it. You can also buy stuffed animals on eBay :(

Really??? my goodness I've lead a shelteredlife. yuk!

[coco1200]

its illegal to skin an animal for its fur in this country (i think)

but not illegal to import it from other countires :censored::censored::censored::censored:

[ellejay]

I have seen this before. Unfortunately I don't think there is anything that can be done about it.:(

[Starlight's boyfriend! =D]

No it's not illegal.

Unnecessary, but not illegal.

Best you can do is refuse to buy it and hope others will follow suite.

We had to use fur to make coats and stuff in times gone by, so I'd usually be okay with it, but we have alternatives that are just as good if not better...makes you wonder why people actually bother with real fur...

Profit I suppose.

[mit]

Fur Farming is Illegal in this Country.

m
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[coco1200]

No it's not illegal.


noooooo thats wrong. it is illegal, but im sure there are farms still in this country carrying on producing fur.


source from www.caft.org.uk
Due to campaigns by anti-fur groups including CAFT-UK the farming of animals 'solely or primarily for their fur' was banned in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland from 1st January 2003.



its sick. it really is sick. im 100% against fur and leather.

[minirex]

its illegal to skin an animal for its fur in this country (i think)

but not illegal to import it from other countries :censored::censored::censored::censored:

Some people eat rabbit, so I guess rabbit fur in this country can be a product from the meat industry, just like leather shoes, sheepskin rugs etc.

[rabshan]

I mail the sellers directly and ask them not to sell real fur:evil:
I am surprised that i havn't been banned yet:?:oops::rolleyes:often spend a few hours sending "polite":rolleyes:mails to FUR sellers and so far only one has replied and she admitted that she was only selling a fur coat as she wanted rid of it:cry:

[Pringle]

:censored::censored::cry::cry:

[mit]

I mail the sellers directly and ask them not to sell real fur:evil:
I am surprised that i havn't been banned yet:?:oops::rolleyes:often spend a few hours sending "polite":rolleyes:mails to FUR sellers and so far only one has replied and she admitted that she was only selling a fur coat as she wanted rid of it:cry:

I'm sorry but i dont understand why you are sooo "surprised". Its not illegal to buy or sell fur skins and fur products in the UK, so why should if we banned on eBay??

m
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[coco1200]

I'm sorry but i dont understand why you are sooo "surprised". Its not illegal to buy or sell fur skins and fur products in the UK, so why should if we banned on eBay??

m
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shes saying shes not suprised shes not banned.
but i dont quite understand what you have written there:?::?:




it may not be illegal, but its ethically wrong how they are produced, treated, skinned etc etc :censored:

the fur trade is appauling, and something really needs doing about it. some animals are skinned ALIVE, yes ALIVE.
theyre in TINY little 'battery' cages, never get roam around.

the chinchilla farming is disgusting. theyre kept in cages so small they cant turn around, (to save space) and when they are killed, theyre backs are broken to skin them!

im sorry if ive gone off on a tangent, but i feel so strongly about fur farms. they make me feel sick to the bone and i get so upset just thinking about it :(

[mit]

shes saying shes not suprised shes not banned.
but i dont quite understand what you have written there:?::?:




it may not be illegal, but its ethically wrong how they are produced, treated, skinned etc etc :censored:

the fur trade is appauling, and something really needs doing about it. some animals are skinned ALIVE, yes ALIVE.
theyre in TINY little 'battery' cages, never get roam around.

the chinchilla farming is disgusting. theyre kept in cages so small they cant turn around, (to save space) and when they are killed, theyre backs are broken to skin them!

im sorry if ive gone off on a tangent, but i feel so strongly about fur farms. they make me feel sick to the bone and i get so upset just thinking about it :(

Im sorry, i miss read Rabshan. Read it as Rabshan was superised that selling fur is not banned on eBay. Sorry.

Again sorry for my wrighting too, my dyslexia was on wack then. What i was trying to say was, it's not illegal to buy or sell fur skins and fur product in the uk, so why should they be banned on eBay.

I have done a LOT of research on the subject of fur over the last couple of years. Wrote a 6,000 word Dissertation on it for my BA and a 10,000 word one for my MA, which i just handed in a couple of months back.

I know what my views are on the subject, but dont feel i should ever enforce them on another being with strong feelings on the subject, anti or pro fur. But i do question thier views, reasoning and how they came to make thier options on the subject. This is so i can gain a better understand for myself and for them to question how solid thier reasonings are.

I dont mind if anyone is Anti-Fur or Pro-Fur as long as they have solid leg to stand on when questioned on thier views.

m
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[coco1200]

Im sorry, i miss read Rabshan. Read it as Rabshan was superised that selling fur is not banned on eBay. Sorry.

Again sorry for my wrighting too, my dyslexia was on wack then. What i was trying to say was, it's not illegal to buy or sell fur skins and fur product in the uk, so why should they be banned on eBay.

I have done a LOT of research on the subject of fur over the last couple of years. Wrote a 6,000 word Dissertation on it for my BA and a 10,000 word one for my MA, which i just handed in a couple of months back.

I know what my views are on the subject, but dont feel i should ever enforce them on another being with strong feelings on the subject, anti or pro fur. But i do question thier views, reasoning and how they came to make thier options on the subject. This is so i can gain a better understand for myself and for them to question how solid thier reasonings are.

I dont mind if anyone is Anti-Fur or Pro-Fur as long as they have solid leg to stand on when questioned on thier views.

m
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aahh so i see.
yes, i can definatley see your point. it may be unnessacery to contact the sellers, but its just awarness to them, telling them what their doing is wrong;
in that persons viewpoint.

but me being anti-fur, i just cannot accpet one who belives in wearing it.
i know i really should, but this is a subject which has really stuck to my believes and i dont think ill ever change :D

PS - im sorry if i came out as being rude or attacking you. :oops::oops::oops:

[Char-x]

I hate fur, to me its one of the worst sectors of animal cruelty on the earth. I don't respect anyone who chooses to wear it, because I can't and well it's tough if I should.

[dinklepip]

absolutely NOT allowed on ebay, report report report

[coco1200]

absolutely NOT allowed on ebay, report report report

ahh but it is unfortunetley :cry:
its not breaking any rules.

and the same for taxidermy :(:(

[mit]

aahh so i see.
yes, i can definatley see your point. it may be unnessacery to contact the sellers, but its just awarness to them, telling them what their doing is wrong;
in that persons viewpoint.

In my research, around 90% of Fur sold on ebay is either seconded hand or is being sold through a middleman. Neither have a direct connection or direct assistance to the killings of these animals. So by contacting them your not gonna get very far in saving these animals, go directly to the farms and the industry who are produces the skins and pallets.

What has been done, has been done to the animals on eBay, you can’t change it, their dead. At least the furs on eBay are being almost ‘recycled’, they are getting a new release of life once with their new owner. Think of if like going to a rescue to adopted a rabbit. By buying a seconded hand fur coat you are helping an vintage fur, thus meaning you wont be buying a new fur which would require another death of an animal. So you are also saving more animals lives by use vintage fur. If we all bought vintage fur ONLY, the market for more deaths of animals would stop at once. Make sence??

but me being anti-fur, i just cannot accpet one who belives in wearing it.
i know i really should, but this is a subject which has really stuck to my believes and i dont think ill ever change :D

I am Pro-Fur, but not your average Pro-Fur designer. I went out there and have done my research for myself first hand, formulating my own opinions and standards to go by. I can accept you not agreeing with me that’s fine, but don’t accept anyone saying I don’t know where my fur is coming from, saying he dosen’t know what he’s talking about and finally when they dosen’t respects my decision.

I hate fur, to me its one of the worst sectors of animal cruelty on the earth.

I respect that.

I don't respect anyone who chooses to wear it, because I can't and well it's tough if I should.

Are you trying to say:

‘I don’t respect anyone who chooses to wear fur. Because I just cant accept it and well it’s tough that I don’t respect/accept anyone who where’s fur’

Just trying to understand your view.


M
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[Goldwinger]

Illegal in the UK since Nov 2000, but still carried out in some european countries I beleive.

[Mandy]

In my research, around 90% of Fur sold on ebay is either seconded hand or is being sold through a middleman. Neither have a direct connection or direct assistance to the killings of these animals. So by contacting them your not gonna get very far in saving these animals, go directly to the farms and the industry who are produces the skins and pallets.

What has been done, has been done to the animals on eBay, you can’t change it, their dead. At least the furs on eBay are being almost ‘recycled’, they are getting a new release of life once with their new owner. Think of if like going to a rescue to adopted a rabbit. By buying a seconded hand fur coat you are helping an vintage fur, thus meaning you wont be buying a new fur which would require another death of an animal. So you are also saving more animals lives by use vintage fur. If we all bought vintage fur ONLY, the market for more deaths of animals would stop at once. Make sence??


No I'm afraid it does not make sense AT ALL. Firstly, the source of vintage fur is of course finite, and whether buying new or vintage it still perpetuates the idea that fur is acceptable- the person admiring your fur as you walk down the street does not know where it has come from, so your ethics don't stand up.

To be honest I am appalled and disgusted that anyone would call themselves 'pro fur'. I am enraged actually :censored: I've not been so angry for a long time.

I don't care whether you've written a dissertation about it, you clearly no nothing. I campaign against this in my job and can tell you that if you'd seen the things I have seen then you would not hold that view.

I will never respect someone who supports the suffering of animals for vanity, it sickens me.

[SOAD]

Think of if like going to a rescue to adopted a rabbit.

What kind of messed up logic is that :evil:, how dare you compare buying a dead animal skin to adopting a rabbit from a rescue! People who support any part of the fur trade make me :evil:.

[mit]

you clearly no nothing.

This is an untrue statement, as you don’t know me, what my research is based on or my work.

I don’t expect anyone to have the same view point as me nor would I every enforce it on anyone or judge anyone on thier views

M
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[coco1200]

im sorry mit, but i completley agree with Mandy and Soad

it does not matter at all that its vintage or not! the animals dead, and was killed to begin with. that does NOT make it right at all.
im sorry, but soad is right, you cannot compare it to resucing a rabbit. rescuing a rabbit is saving a life, maybe giving a good home. buying a fut jacket, vintage or not, is supporting the right to say its ok to kill animals for no apparent reason; just to look good.


i cannot respect your opinion at all in any circumstance that may be given.

you may or may have had rabbits or guinea pigs, (which is obviosuly why your on this forum), but can you say honestly say to me that you can wear them?

[Mandy]

This is an untrue statement, as you don’t know me, what my research is based on or my work.

I don’t expect anyone to have the same view point as me nor would I every enforce it on anyone.

M
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Back up your arguement then. Give me some reasons why you are 'Pro fur'.
:?:

I don't need to know you or your research to know that you are completely wrong in this, because I know I am in the right.

I don't expect people to hold the same viewpoints as me either, but I will never respect someone who holds an ignorant view such as yours.

[Angie65]

In my research, around 90% of Fur sold on ebay is either seconded hand or is being sold through a middleman. Neither have a direct connection or direct assistance to the killings of these animals. So by contacting them your not gonna get very far in saving these animals, go directly to the farms and the industry who are produces the skins and pallets.

What has been done, has been done to the animals on eBay, you can’t change it, their dead. At least the furs on eBay are being almost ‘recycled’, they are getting a new release of life once with their new owner. Think of if like going to a rescue to adopted a rabbit. By buying a seconded hand fur coat you are helping an vintage fur, thus meaning you wont be buying a new fur which would require another death of an animal. So you are also saving more animals lives by use vintage fur. If we all bought vintage fur ONLY, the market for more deaths of animals would stop at once. Make sence??







That doesn't stack up at all. How could buying more fur decrease the amount suppliers put on the market?:?:?:?:?

[coco1200]

That doesn't stack up at all. How could buying more fur decrease the amount suppliers put on the market?:?:?:?:?

i think they are saying that supoorting secondhand fur is ok
which i really cannot see as being a justified reason.
the animal was killed in the first place, so it is DEAD

it dosnt matter if it happened 50 years ago or today, what matters is that an animal had to endure a sick cruel death for someones choice to parade in it.

fur only looks good on one thing, thats the animal that it belongs to!!!!!

[rabshan]

Wearing "second hand" fur is still fur:evil:

Mit i can tale on board your augument that vintage fur is alright but many animals have had horrendous lives and even worse deaths to make that coat whether it new or donkey,s years old:cry:
I suggest you watch IFAW,s video clip of a raccoon dog being skinned ALIVE as i have done and still see if you are PRO FUR:evil:
I will never forget that poor dog or the horrific way that it finally died :cry:it,s final few seconds of life spent being jeered at by his murderers:cry:this was after they had chopped off his feet (to make it easier to pull his fur off) hung him upside down on a hook and ripped off his fur:cry:he was fully concious throughout this:cry:his poor pathetic naked body was then chucked on a pile of earleir victim,s:cry:he still was NOT dead and was trying to get away:cry:
This is just one incident:shock: this is happening every day many,many times and it,s cruelty beyond belief and it MUST be stopped:evil:
So MIT pklease take a look at this video clip and then see if you still think that FUr is O.K.

[AllForTheAnimals]

OMG!! I didn't know they were aloud to sell that stuff on e-bay!! I hate e-bay now. I don't think there is a purpose to do that stuff I mean c'mon people like me (i'm a Veg.) don't want to see that when they look up 'toy rabbit' or something I think people should do somthin about it :evil::cry:

[coco1200]

Wearing "second hand" fur is still fur:evil:

Mit i can tale on board your augument that vintage fur is alright but many animals have had horrendous lives and even worse deaths to make that coat whether it new or donkey,s years old:cry:
I suggest you watch IFAW,s video clip of a raccoon dog being skinned ALIVE as i have done and still see if you are PRO FUR:evil:
I will never forget that poor dog or the horrific way that it finally died :cry:it,s final few seconds of life spent being jeered at by his murderers:cry:this was after they had chopped off his feet (to make it easier to pull his fur off) hung him upside down on a hook and ripped off his fur:cry:he was fully concious throughout this:cry:his poor pathetic naked body was then chucked on a pile of earleir victim,s:cry:he still was NOT dead and was trying to get away:cry:
This is just one incident:shock: this is happening every day many,many times and it,s cruelty beyond belief and it MUST be stopped:evil:
So MIT pklease take a look at this video clip and then see if you still think that FUr is O.K.


i really wish you didnt go into detial.....
i saw that video, and now its just bought it back.
its not that i wanted to forget it, but it makes me cry if i see it or think of it
:cry::cry::cry::cry:

[rabshan]

Sorry if it upset you (it does me too) BUt this happened as you have seen for yourself:cry:
I will never forget that dog :cry:and i remember it every time i see a FUR coat or fur item being worn:cry:but then that is why the clip was made so that Joe Public will know what happens on fur farms and can then make a positive decision about the fur trade:cry:
it took be several years to stop crying every time i thought about it now it just makes me want to do all i can to stop the selling of FUR:evil:which is why i often spend time on Ebay mailing sellers and asking them to think about what they are doing:cry:
It,s not much but if i can get even one seller to stop then i will be happy:)
What is really sick is that selling fur can be considered to be O.K.:evil:

[coco1200]

Sorry if it upset you (it does me too) BUt this happened as you have seen for yourself:cry:
I will never forget that dog :cry:and i remember it every time i see a FUR coat or fur item being worn:cry:but then that is why the clip was made so that Joe Public will know what happens on fur farms and can then make a positive decision about the fur trade:cry:
it took be several years to stop crying every time i thought about it now it just makes me want to do all i can to stop the selling of FUR:evil:which is why i often spend time on Ebay mailing sellers and asking them to think about what they are doing:cry:
It,s not much but if i can get even one seller to stop then i will be happy:)
What is really sick is that selling fur can be considered to be O.K.:evil:

totally agree with you
i think that fur farming is so hidden in modern society, people are just so naive and over-look it. its just something that people dont understand, and they probably think all these animals are running happily in forests!!! :evil:

i sent a letter to the queen via Peta about her guards using fur on their hats, but i never got a reply :(.
i think fur should be abolished throughout the whole of europe for a start.
i know its going to be unlikely, but it makes me so angry that the farmers think its kind and ethical to skin an animal ALIVE :censored::censored::censored::censored:
lets make a nice human leather skin jacket out of them! one size only and thats Evil :censored::censored::censored:

[rabshan]

Totally agree with you:)the trouble is the fur trade has gone underground (so to speak) even the sellers on Ebay always say that descretion is assured for prospective buyers:evil:which means that they obviously know that it,s wrong and cruel but still want to profit from animals misery:cry::evil:
I Hate fur with a vengence and will never stop trying to get it banned:evil:
I agree that that IFAW clip is brutal but at least i am aware of what is happening :cry:I used to wake up in the night sobbing for that poor dog:cry:i was sure i was suffering from post traumatic stress:shock:it really is horrendous but it,s happening and it must be stopped:cry:
If only the stupid:?silly vain people who wear it would watch that film then maybe they wouldn,t be so keen to buy the wretched coats in the first place:evil:
If i got my way i would force anyone considering wearing fur to watch it and hopefully they would be ashamed of themselves:evil:
\they even have a method of mixing real fur with fake and labelling it as fake to fool consumers into buying it:evil:how sneaky is that:shock::evil:

[coco1200]

i was the same
it really does give you nightmares. i couldnt get that dogs face out of my head. it really is the most upsetting thing i ever saw. :cry:
people i know dont understand either. they think that im crazy and a hippy going around telling people what i truly believe in. i really do think that a programe should be made on this, and aired on tv to show people what its really like :evil:

and i didnt know people lied about fake fur :shock:
i bought a fake fur hat (100% acrylic), and it really does feel and look like real fur. its so decieving, and people still choose to wear the real thing.
i always make sure that its not real just in case, by digging into the fur and checking wether or not i can see any leather. :)

[Mia & Honey]

People who wear fur are :censored: sick and disgust me,
fur belongs on an animals back NOT OURS

[halon]

to be honest there's little difference between fur, leather and meat. Except that fur looks like the animal it came from. And the fact that it's become a lot less fashionable to wear fur.

You can buy leather shoes on ebay so why not fur? I just think the effort you put into targetting sellers on ebay might be better directed elsewhere.

[Mandy]

to be honest there's little difference between fur, leather and meat. Except that fur looks like the animal it came from. And the fact that it's become a lot less fashionable to wear fur.


There is a world of difference.

Fur is purely for vanity- animals are killed so people can have a unnecessary fur collar on their coat.
Leather is a by product of the meat industry.

There are many other issues, like the fact animals reared for their fur such as fox and mink are still wild, so they suffer greatly being near humans and kept in wire cages with no stimulation.

Animals reared for meat such as cows are domesticated.

Shame you didn't see the Channel 4 documentary a couple of weeks ago, you wouldn't hold this view if you had.

For more information on the true facts of the fur trade, see:
www.respectforanimals.org

[webbkath]

[QUOTE=mit;2505390]
I am Pro-Fur, but not your average Pro-Fur designer.

Mit Please can you explain how you can be pro fur? Sorry if im being ignorant but there is so much evidence to prove animal cruelty exists in fur farming that I dont understand how anyone can be 'pro-fur' without saying that they think the mis treatment of animals for fashion is acceptable.

[the 57 bears]

For vegetarians or people interested in farm animals welfare, it does not matter at all that cows are domesticated animals, as they are mercilessly exploited as raw material, full stop. It is a question of ethics to refuse to wear a part of a dead animal, as there is no need to do so nowadays - I haven't worn anything made of leather in the last 10 years.

Of course, fur IS a different matter, but in terms of respect for the lives of other living things, I am as disgusted by a fur as much as I am by a leather jacket or a pair of shoes. Also, crocodile or lizard leather is considered leather and not fur, and still that's NOT a byproduct at all.
I do agree that stopping the fur industry is a priority, but I don't justify leather as much as I don't justify distinguishing between animals that can be eaten and animals that are friends/pets/cute etc.

If it's got eyes, I don't eat or wear it. That's my point of view, but choices are choices and as such I also understand that non-vegetarians distinguish between fur and leather because it makes sense from their point of view. Just please do not use a holier-than-thou attitude, as maybe Halon justifies fur from the point of view of a meat eater, but paradoxically shows more consistency that whoever makes distinctions based on a sort of chart of what kind of exploited animal has the most miserable life.

[halon]

For the record, I happen to be vegetarian and I dont wear leather or fur except for a few leather items that are either second-hand or I havent yet found an alternative. Yes I'm aware of the conditions many animals are kept in for the fur trade. I'm also aware of the horrific conditions that many domesticated animals are kept in. The fur on ebay could easily be from a farmed rabbit.

Most meat and leather is certainly not a necessity (although for some uses and some cultures there are few alternatives that dont involve an equal amount of suffering).

To be honest I've always found it incredibly hypocritical when people get all squeamish about fur but are quite happy to tuck into a burger. But I also think it can be counter-productive to rant at people (but I'm probably ranting myself by this point).

Targetting ebay for selling fur would be pretty pointless. They have no control over their 'supply chains'. People who want to buy fur will find a way to buy it. Probably the better way is to educate people and to prevent it from becoming fashionable again. And to work with those companies who can influence production, particularly the ones whose 'fake fur' isn't fake. The Peta campaign does actually seem to have gained some ground if the horseguards are considering alternatives.

Importantly I'd like to see some alternatives to leather that don't involve petrochemicals or other nasty chemicals. I know nobody likes to discuss it, but most plastics cause just as much suffering as leather or fur. None of us can say that our lives are absolutely cruelty-free; we can only try our best.

I'm pretty sure Mit has been scared off.

[mit]

[QUOTE=mit;2505390]
I am Pro-Fur, but not your average Pro-Fur designer.

Mit Please can you explain how you can be pro fur? Sorry if im being ignorant but there is so much evidence to prove animal cruelty exists in fur farming that I dont understand how anyone can be 'pro-fur' without saying that they think the mis treatment of animals for fashion is acceptable.

For ME its where you source your Fur from and what your standards are when you check out the source.

I'm pretty sure Mit has been scared off.

I'm not scared off, no. There's just no point in me putting my views across when its just gonna is bashed to the ground. Its not like where ever gonna see eye-to-eye on this topic.

All I know is Fashion can NEVER be Ethical

m
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[FluffyBun]

I've been a veggie for many years now, but have no problem with other people eating animals and using the by products. To me, it would be wasteful to eat and animal and not use every other part of it, possible. I do think people who eat meat should be prepared to kill it themselves and also agree it's hypocritical of anyone to eat meat then complain about animal by products. Native American (and no doubt our own original culture) had no problem with eating or using every last part of an animal - it was disrespectful to it to do otherwise. So no, personally I would never wear fur and never eat meat - but think it makes sense to use everything. Animals that are raised just for their fur - that is a s repellent as animals raised just for one cut of meat. I grew up on a smallholding and come from a long long line of farmers on my mum's side and have no sentiment about animals at all. But if people are going to complain about fur - but continue to eat meat - that doesn't make any sense, to me.

[Mia & Honey]

But if people are going to complain about fur - but continue to eat meat - that doesn't make any sense, to me.

Couldn't agree more with this statement, its not okay to kill an animal for one thing but it is for another? saying when an animal is murdered for humans is okay because they will be eaten and then saying its not okay to wear...is just human perspective and human morals, all the animal knows is that it wont see another day.

[Jazzy B Bunny]

Couldn't agree more with this statement, its not okay to kill an animal for one thing but it is for another? saying when an animal is murdered for humans is okay because they will be eaten and then saying its not okay to wear...is just human perspective and human morals, all the animal knows is that it wont see another day.

I'm anti fur but I eat meat, If fur is the bi product from the meat industry thats fine, what I dont like is when the animals are skinned alive!

[justwondering]

Fur, leather, flesh... it's all the same to the animals. Won't see another day as has been said.
Either 'fess up and say you are ok with slaughter and happy to murder, or join the sense brigade and head towards a happy humanity/animal world.
:wave::D:p

[Mia & Honey]

I'm anti fur but I eat meat, If fur is the bi product from the meat industry thats fine, what I dont like is when the animals are skinned alive!

I can understand that, but I cant help but link it all together in the way that fur animals are skinned alive, well chickens, many are literally scalded to death in the feather-removal tanks after missing the throat cutter. Its the same for pigs, Many are still fully conscious when they are immersed in scalding water for hair removal. The difference is one is for dinner and one is for a coat which means one is more socially acceptable than the other, its still murder and torture at the hands of humans for humans, but thats just me, cant help but make the link in my head.