why why why?

[rianne23]

just no point

[Jazzy B Bunny]

Its a sad fact but it is a form of pest control:( people see wild buns as pests. dont know why he had to put it on the internet though. A friend of the family goes out with his ferrets and out with his birds of prey but would never toucha pet bunny ever.

Plus im sure the horses are well looked after and some enjoy it.

[rianne23]

yeah but..o god i just felt a bit :shock: to see it on a social networking site :( poor bunnies

[rianne23]

a horse died at that fair last yr! they all chased him tho(the guy who drowned it)

[kimd6200]

wasnt appleby show 2007 on a rspca program?some of the horses were quite neglected.i personally dont think there is anything against rabbiting but its a personal choice.he shouldnt post pics that could upset people.n not all horses enjoy cart racing.x:)

[Tamsin]

It's not like he visited a pet rabbit forum and waved them around (I'm presuming anyway). Saying he shouldn't post pictures on his own blog incase he upsets someone is like saying you should post pictures of you lunch on your blog in case you upset a vegan or your car incase you upset an environmentalist.

Tam

[rianne23]

o i give up

[Jazzy B Bunny]

o i give up

Hes not harming domestic buns though or shoving it in our faces. x

[Teepee]

My OH's Mum is lucky enough to own acres of land - much of which is "mountain" and is left much as a "nature reserve" are she enjoys spotting badgers and (lots!) of wild rabbits...not all see wild rabbits as pests (although they DID come eat all her cabbages last year!:D)

It's clear that the images have upset you rianne23 - we are all human and different things upset us according to who we are, so it's kind of regardless what others think as far as your feelings go. Some worry about domestic rabbits only - others worry about all rabbits. I'm sure there are lots and lots of things that we, as forum members, would disagree on regarding what we find upsetting/bareable. What matters as far as this thread goes is that you were upset and for that I'm sorry that you saw these images.:(
ATB TP;)

[Wabbit]

Don't worry, Rianne, you're not alone. There are other people (myself included) who care about ALL animals - not just domestic "pets".

A wild rabbit has the same capability of feeling pain and fear, so I cannot understand why it's deemed acceptable to hunt them down and kill them :cry:

Like you, I really despair at times :?

Jenny

[nursecroft]

Its not nice but unfortunately its life, rabbits have to be culled as horrible as it is, if you let them over populate they become diseased and suffer. If people really do care about animals then they seperate the human emotions from animal welfare and think about what is best to maintain a healthy happy species. I hate seeing animals dieing slow horrible deaths through disease and illness. Unfortuately rabbits breed so quickly they easily over popluate.

Just because you agree with maintaining a healthy population through culling does not mean you dont love animals, quite the opposite infact!

Where is this blog thats upset people?

[Indiechic]

Unfortunatly as much as its upsetting, it goes on.

if u don't like it, don't look.

And with the internet as it is, people post what they like and generally for shock value x

[SOAD]

Don't worry, Rianne, you're not alone. There are other people (myself included) who care about ALL animals - not just domestic "pets".

A wild rabbit has the same capability of feeling pain and fear, so I cannot understand why it's deemed acceptable to hunt them down and kill them :cry:

Like you, I really despair at times :?

Jenny


I am with you both too, I didn't see the original post, people that hunt and kill animals for whatever reason are scum IMO :cry::cry:

[nursecroft]

Oh right so how would control over population then? Life isnt a disney film, as long as its done humanely then it is part of life.

[SOAD]

Oh right so how would control over population then? Life isnt a disney film, as long as its done humanely then it is part of life.

There is no such thing as killing humanely, sorry but what a load of :censored:, killing with ferrets is humane is it :censored::censored:

The population doesn't need controlling, only humans are selfish enough to think that we control everything.

I am going to walk away from the thread before I say what I really think :evil:

[nursecroft]

haha ok so you'd rather they died a horrendous diseased death or starve because they are so over populated!!! I dont think that comes under loving animals!!!

I dont agree with putting ferrets down bunny holes, if you'd read my post i have not seen the blog i was commenting on the fact wild animals need culling, i said humanely!!! Unless you're going to go out and give them all birth control :lol:

I have been brought up in the countryside and its a fact of life, like it or not it has to be done, im hate the thought of it, i dont like the thought of any animal dying but i prefer some to be culled cleanly rather than die diseased and in pain.

There is no need for abusive comments like all people that kill animals are scum either. That is abusive and uncalled for, especially as you are supposed to be a moderator.

[SOAD]

haha ok so you'd rather they died a horrendous diseased death or starve because they are so over populated!!! I dont think that comes under loving animals!!!

I dont agree with putting ferrets down bunny holes, if you'd read my post i have not seen the blog i was commenting on the fact wild animals need culling, i said humanely!!! Unless you're going to go out and give them all birth control :lol:

I have been brought up in the countryside and its a fact of life, like it or not it has to be done, im hate the thought of it, i dont like the thought of any animal dying but i prefer some to be culled cleanly rather than die diseased and in pain.

There is no need for abusive comments like all people that kill animals are scum either. That is abusive and uncalled for.


That is what they are though IMO, people who kill animals are scum to me, sorry but I do beleive that. :oops:

[nursecroft]

i take it you dont wear leather or eat meat then?

And you're not answering my question, id love to know how to get around over population without culling?

[SOAD]

No I do not, OMG that is sick beyond belief, I am a vegan and proud of it.

[nursecroft]

ah good for you, least you do what you preach, i admire that.

But you still havent answered my question, if culling could be avoided id love it but thinking logically i dont think it can, id be the first to support another way

Im a meat eater, doesnt mean im sick, i am being respectful of what you believe so i expect the same back please.

[Denny]

That is abusive and uncalled for, especially as you are supposed to be a moderator.

sorry for butting in here:lol::lol: but even though Tree is a moderator, all mods are all entitled to their own opinion on here, I dont think they should be allowed just to moderate:lol::lol::lol:

[nursecroft]

Since when is calling people scum an opinion??? :shock: I thought moderators were supposed to makesure there were no abusive comments on here?? I dont kill animals but i do eat free range organic meat, therefore i support it. I object to being called scum.

[Mandy]

I agree totally with Tree and Wabbit.

[Mandy]

There is no need for abusive comments like all people that kill animals are scum either. That is abusive and uncalled for, especially as you are supposed to be a moderator.

Tree hasn't been abusive. Moderators are entitled to their opinions too :D

[nursecroft]

as i said calling people scum is not an opinion!! Its an abusive name for people!

[Denny]

Since when is calling people scum an opinion??? :shock:

so you dont think sex offenders, murderers or terrorists are scum then:lol::lol::lol: Everyone has their own degree of what a scum is but the word is their for anyone to use what ever they decide to define one as;):lol:

[Mandy]

as i said calling people scum is not an opinion!! Its an abusive name for people!

Matter of opinion- sounds like one to me :D If you have a problem with any posts, whether by a moderator or not you can press the report button rather than arguing on the thread and the other mods will deal with it :D

[nursecroft]

I think that is abit different!!! I am not scum!!!! I didnt come here to be attacked!!

Obviously vets are scum then because they kill animals!!

How do i have problems with any posts? I was simply voicing my opinion without calling people names, you girls are very clicky and unfriendly

[Mandy]

I think that is abit different!!! I am not scum!!!! I didnt come here to be attacked!!

Obviously vets are scum then because they kill animals!!

How do i have problems with any posts? I was simply voicing my opinion without calling people names, you girls are very clicky and unfriendly

She hasn't attacked you personally, she made a general point.

Just because people disagree with you doesn't make them cliquey or unfriendly. You're entitled to your opinion as much as we are.

[Wispa & Zola]

when i got a baby ferret a few years ago he was bred from hunting stock, his dad was HUGE! i walked into this back garden and saw a family of dead rabbits on the patio, i nearly cried!!!!

i just kept my ferrets as pets not as working stock, i did get offered a day out ferreting and i declined. In australia kangeroos are classed as vermin because they ruin crops and they get culled as well, i declined an offer for a day doing this as well.

[Lucy]

I am also of the opinion that hunters are scum, hence the commonly used phrase of 'hunt scum', by people who wish to defend the rights of animals NOT to be chased to exhaustion and ripped apart. I don't care if an animal is domestic or wild, it still has the same right to life. That is of course, unless, someone made hunters god and didn't tell the rest of us.

[Mandy]

I'll leave this open as a discussion on ferreting/culling. no more arguement discussion please :)

[nursecroft]

ok not arguing just discussing.

How else do we sort out the problem of over population?

Can i just point out again, i do not agree with ferreting!!

[Mandy]

How else do we sort out the problem of over population?


I do not believe in 'culling' full stop. Nature reaches a balance in itself eventually.

If any species needs culling it is humans, but there would be outrage if that was suggested.

[abbymarysmokey]

I can't see a problem with hunting wild animals if they are going to be eaten...I'd much rather people ate wild rabbit than factory farmed rabbit/chicken/pork, etc.

Amy

[Wispa & Zola]

i really dont think we will be swarmed by rabbits if people stopped ferreting.

i think its disgusting to cause so much pain to another creature for a sport. there are kinda ways to kill an animal if it is necessary.

[nursecroft]

Right so you believe in nature sorting itself out so allowing the rabbit population to become diseased and weak is more humane? Sorry im finding this really hard to understand?

[Lucy]

I totally agree with Mandy, nature works just fine and doesn't need humans in poncey outfits on horses sorting anything out for it. Nor does it need people with dogs rabbiting on a saturday afternoon for pleasure. I very much doubt the balance of nature is at the forefront of their mind when they go rabbiting. Or have I got that wrong and people who go rabbiting are actually eco warriors? :roll:

[Amy & Amber]

' God said all of his creatures were equal '

[Mandy]

Right so you believe in nature sorting itself out so allowing the rabbit population to become diseased and weak is more humane? Sorry im finding this really hard to understand?

They do not 'cull' rabbits to stop the spread of disease or for the good of the species! Myxi was introduced specifically to reduce the population.

Humans brought them to the UK in the first place- it's not their fault.

[Wispa & Zola]

Right so you believe in nature sorting itself out so allowing the rabbit population to become diseased and weak is more humane? Sorry im finding this really hard to understand?

no not at all, but like i said there are more humane ways of killing an animal.

letting a ferret into a warren and letting it kill rabbits is not humane! yes ferrets are predators of rabbits but a HUMAN is forcibly making the ferret kill the rabbit, theres nothing natural about it!!!!!!!

[nursecroft]

Hangon what exactly are we debating here now?! i was saying culling is needed to control over population and therefore helping to control disease, i do not agree with ferreting, where did the prancing around on horses come from??!

[SOAD]

Should we cull people, I mean there is a lot of over populated areas. There is also a lot of starving people in the world, we could hunt them, that would solve the problem? We wouldn't do that because it's immoral, why can anyone think it's ok to treat other species like that. :cry::cry::cry:

[Denny]

I think that is abit different!!! I am not scum!!!! I didnt come here to be attacked!!

Obviously vets are scum then because they kill animals!!

How do i have problems with any posts? I was simply voicing my opinion without calling people names, you girls are very clicky and unfriendly

I am a bit lost with what you have written there, no-one has called you a scum or attacked you:?:? everyone has their opinions whether or not others agree with yours or not;) I think most folk are friendly here but I wouldnt call any clicky:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I do agree with Mandy though, nature is very capable of sorting itself out :)

Nursecroft, how do they control the rabbit population by where you live if you dont mind me asking and what sort of destruction are they causing?

[Lucy]

A good place for information about hunting and the truth behind the lies is http://www.league.org.uk/index.asp League against cruel sports do a lot of good work in this area.

[Mandy]

Hangon what exactly are we debating here now?! i was saying culling is needed to control over population and therefore helping to control disease, i do not agree with ferreting, where did the prancing around on horses come from??!

My point is that it is not helping to control disease. Did you know myxi was introduced by scientists specifically to reduce the population of rabbits?

it was deliberately introduced into Australia and the United Kingdom in an attempt to control rabbit infestation and population there;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis

[Wispa & Zola]

Hangon what exactly are we debating here now?! i was saying culling is needed to control over population and therefore helping to control disease, i do not agree with ferreting, where did the prancing around on horses come from??!

i do think u need to be careful because from where im sitting your wanting people to bite and cause an argument.

you are saying culling is a good thing....im saying there are more humane ways to "control" a population

there are plenty of unfit parents with ill and diseased children in this country, i dont see people suggesting culling them

somehow in evolution we ended up as the top dog it doesnt give us the right to torture animals that we THINK are pests

[nursecroft]

The scum comment is over im not arguing about that anymore.

I believe everyone has a right to an opinion and i have never said any different.

Back to the issue:

I grew up in the new forest among farmland, all rabbits shot were for food but also so that the population is kept in check which helps curb the spread of disease and keep the population healthier. I do not eat rabbit ( i just couldnt) I hate the thought of anything dying believe it or not im not a nasty person! I do not believe in ferreting but i do believe culling is necessary.

As for the culling humans comment i think that is being a little ridiculous. Although i believe will make people suffer because we insist that keeping everyone alive is better than letting them go, but thats another debate.

[MaxiandScottandbuns]

Should we cull people, I mean there is a lot of over populated areas. There is also a lot of starving people in the world, we could hunt them, that would solve the problem? We wouldn't do that because it's immoral, why can anyone think it's ok to treat other species like that. :cry::cry::cry:

Exactly

If anything needs population control its our own species

[Mandy]

As for the culling humans comment i think that is being a little ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? Humans are the most destructive species on the planet.
Animals are our equals IMO.

I like Wispa's comment 'somehow in evolution we ended up as the top dog it doesnt give us the right to torture animals that we THINK are pests '

[nursecroft]

I need to be careful do i? I am not wanting to cause an arguement at all!! I believe culling is a good thing when done humanely, that is my opinion, not because i want to upset people but because that is what i believe. Stop trying to make me look like a monster. I dont believe in ferreting as i have said countless times!!


i do think u need to be careful because from where im sitting your wanting people to bite and cause an argument.

you are saying culling is a good thing....im saying there are more humane ways to "control" a population

there are plenty of unfit parents with ill and diseased children in this country, i dont see people suggesting culling them

somehow in evolution we ended up as the top dog it doesnt give us the right to torture animals that we THINK are pests

[Wispa & Zola]

I grew up in the new forest among farmland, all rabbits shot were for food but also so that the population is kept in check which helps curb the spread of disease and keep the population healthier. I do not eat rabbit ( i just couldnt) I hate the thought of anything dying believe it or not im not a nasty person! I do not believe in ferreting but i do believe culling is necessary.

As for the culling humans comment i think that is being a little ridiculous. Although i believe will make people suffer because we insist that keeping everyone alive is better than letting them go, but thats another debate.

im off now before this goes too far, you are ignoring the facts, i didnt say that you supported ferreting i used it as an example of culling rabbits. i suppose i could have used an example of farmers putting myxi buns into warrens to infect them all and letting them suffer and die that way.

the human comment is very relevent. just because there's no one bigger and stronger than us to control our population doesnt give us the right to control every other creatures population

[SOAD]

I have dedicated the last few years of my life to saving rabbits, I come to work and my money is purely there to be able to provide for them and give them the best, I go without so they don't have to and to hear about people killing them, whether under the guise of population control or pleasure makes my blood boil.

I am sorry if my opinion offends, but I am not sorry for my sentiments.

[Kay]

I believe that culling is necessary as long as it is humane and not some kind of sport. Defra published guidelines concerning culling as they found that rabbits natural preditors were on the decline.

Ferreting however is just wrong and I would agree that people ferreting are scum. Having had two rabbits killed by a rogue ferret I know first hand how terrifing it is for a rabbit when faced by a ferret. Its a violent, cruel and pointless death. My rabbits were terrifed and gave the most unearthly scream when they were attacked. At least with organised culling the rabbit isn't aware of the danger of the gun and its all over very quick.

There are successful culls where I live, its not nice to hear the shot guns at night but without this culling the farmers would lose their entire crops.

Animals in sport is what really gets to me. Where I live they are big on Pheasant shooting. These beautiful birds are breed purely to be shot. Its cruel and pointless. They can't even eat the pheasants afterwards as they are so full of lead.

[nursecroft]

yes we are destructive and have changed evolution and in doing so we have created alot of problems which we have to counteract. Im going to leave this now because i feel i am being bullied and you are all attacking and upsetting me.

I am a caring person despite what you all think, i love my animals and have rescued many in the past. I am a staff nurse and am currently looking after my mum who has terminal cancer, seems she is equal to a dying rabbit to you but not in my world.

Lara

[SOAD]

Having a differnt opinion to you, doesn't mean we're bullies and I am so sorry to hear about your mother and I am sorry you're having a rough time looking after her :cry::cry::cry:, but I don't understand what you Mom and hunting have in common.

Animals and people are equal to me, this is my opinion.

[halon]

I think that shooting wild rabbits for food is a lot better than farming rabbits. But I dont approve of killing rabbits for no reason.

Culling rabbits to keep the population down seems a bit pointless. Rabbits do not need humans to keep them in check. how do you think they managed before humans arrived? The rabbit population is naturally kept in check by predators. These predators eat the rabbits to survive.

I dont see how culling prevents disease. Are sick rabbits specifically targetted? Otherwise it's just killing healthy rabbits and leaving the sick ones. There still seem to be a lot of wild rabbits with diseases so clearly culling isnt working.....

I do think people are getting a bit overheated though! Can we try and keep this pleasant :):)

[Teepee]

*whispers* I think this is an example of people disagreeing on an issue as their views conflict and no amount of "discussion" is likely to change the other's mind;)

Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion and I'm very sure that all forum members on here respect that. HOWEVER, the problem with discussing things (especially when there are conflicting views) over the internet is that neither party can properly assess the other person's intended tone or indeed see their facial expression that accompany what they type. As a result of this, it can cause people to feel bullied and misunderstood as they add to posts the tone and expression they *think* are intended...my humble yet entitled opinion.:)

[SOAD]

*whispers* I think this is an example of people disagreeing on an issue as their views conflict and no amount of "discussion" is likely to change the other's mind;)



You're right of course, I will never change my mind on hunting nor eating meat (I don't join in with meat eating threads anymore as I get far too upset and upset everyone that eats meat).

I am just a little bit shocked that on a forum where people claim to love thir rabbits, they can also hunt them (for whatever reason). I have meat eating friends who would NEVER eat rabbit out of respect for my work and my opinion. I am a little gobsmacked that people who keep rabbits would ever think it was ok to kill them. For this reason I am not going to add anything else to this thread, as I think I have made mt feelings known on the matter.

Again this is my opinion and not the opinion of rabbits united

[Lucy]

yes we are destructive and have changed evolution and in doing so we have created alot of problems which we have to counteract. Im going to leave this now because i feel i am being bullied and you are all attacking and upsetting me.

I am a caring person despite what you all think, i love my animals and have rescued many in the past. I am a staff nurse and am currently looking after my mum who has terminal cancer, seems she is equal to a dying rabbit to you but not in my world.

Lara

I guess it depends on your viewpoint. I also believe all animals are equal. My mom died of cancer when I was 15, but do I support research on animals for cancer reserch, certainly not! We don't have the right to choose when things live or die unless we are acting with compassion to prevent their suffering.

[nursecroft]

I do love my rabbits, that is not for you to judge, i have my own opinion that does not mean i do not love my rabbits, how dare you suggest that. i do not eat rabbits but nor am i narrow minded on the way the world is.

Im sorry but i could not ignore that, im quite upset right now so am going to leave this i am not going to argue with you all.


You're right of course, I will never change my mind on hunting nor eating meat (I don't join in with meat eating threads anymore as I get far too upset and upset everyone that eats meat).

I am just a little bit shocked that on a forum where people claim to love thir rabbits, they can also hunt them (for whatever reason). I have meat eating friends who would NEVER eat rabbit out of respect for my work and my opinion. I am a little gobsmacked that people who keep rabbits would ever think it was ok to kill them. For this reason I am not going to add anything else to this thread, as I think I have made mt feelings known on the matter.

Again this is my opinion and not the opinion of rabbits united

[BinkyBun]

You're right of course, I will never change my mind on hunting nor eating meat (I don't join in with meat eating threads anymore as I get far too upset and upset everyone that eats meat).

I am just a little bit shocked that on a forum where people claim to love thir rabbits, they can also hunt them (for whatever reason). I have meat eating friends who would NEVER eat rabbit out of respect for my work and my opinion. I am a little gobsmacked that people who keep rabbits would ever think it was ok to kill them. For this reason I am not going to add anything else to this thread, as I think I have made mt feelings known on the matter.

Again this is my opinion and not the opinion of rabbits united

I completely agree with Tree. I'm not going to read the rest of this thread as I will just get upset.

[Adele]

I do love my rabbits, that is not for you to judge, i have my own opinion that does not mean i do not love my rabbits, how dare you suggest that. i do not eat rabbits but nor am i narrow minded on the way the world is.

Im sorry but i could not ignore that, im quite upset right now so am going to leave this i am not going to argue with you all.

Hi I do not think anyone is saying you do not love your rabbits, no one can give such a personal opinion as they dont see how your handle, and care for your bunnies on a daily basis;):D
I think this is just a very sensitive subject, and it tends to spark fierce debate and opinion at times.
I eat meat, AND love my rabbits, some would say if I truly loved animals I would not eat meat. (I do not agree with this view personally)
That is one opinion, and people are entitled to make their point, as long as they respect mine:D
If you have any concerns about posts please press the report button and admin will look at the post in question.
Please do not state concerns in threads themselves, as it invariably leads to arguments.

Please continue the debate, you are all making equally valid points:D

[SOAD]

I have had my knuckles severely wrapped and I understand I may of caused some upset today, although I will never agree with hunting for any reason. I apologise for saying hunt scum on this forum and will not say it again.

Sorry
Tree

[Doncat5]

Oooh I missed this....... I think culling wild rabbits is a good thing, but only when done by wild foxes. Nature is wonderful and I think foxes do a damn good job, shame theyve all been run into town centres! :D

... its not 'mans' right to own every inch of the earth.

[CRBevis]

Oooh I missed this....... I think culling wild rabbits is a good thing, but only when done by wild foxes. Nature is wonderful and I think foxes do a damn good job, shame theyve all been run into town centres! :D

... its not 'mans' right to own every inch of the earth.

Here here!

My friends husband and his mates go to the local farmers to see if they will let them help with their culling of Rabbits and they also shoot pheasants and deer!

I know for a fact when they go they are not doing it to help the farmers suffering crops or to help the poor ill over populated bunny's, they do it to quench their thirst for blood and the love of putting a bullet into anything that moves or breathes.:censored:

Even though she my work friend/colleague I do not talk about animals with her as they eat anything that moves and especially after the state i saw her kids bunnys in , in their dirty damp, cold hayless dark hutches (yes the poor things did die in the end) . I dislike her attitude towards animals and she knows this.



Her attitude is like so many peoples in this world, that animals are here for humans pleasure what ever the pleasure be!

That is why I hate cruel humans!

[nursecroft]

Thankyou Tree, i apologise for any offence i caused you too. Guess we all just have to agree to disagree , it is a hot subject!! Im gonna keep my mouth shut from now on (well i'll try ;))