Monty is not eating, U/D: he passed away last Fri.

I am guessing Monty may be having GI stasis, but I'm not sure. I notice it about 1 hr. ago at 11 pm. There is a consistent almost like pop sound, w/ a single pop, every so often from his body.

Tonight, he didn't go for the rabbit treats, usually there is 10 piece of raisin shared between 2 bunnies and Monty fight for them. He just not interested in tonight.

Yesterday morning, (not this morning but the one before), I noticed 1 spot of soft poos.

Monty is also shredding his fur again, so he didn't eat the night time poos.

As of now, there is only 3 pieces of his poos (normal size). Ususally, the cycle is a lot of poos between now till 9 am or so, then both rabbits have their inactivity (no poos, no urine, they just sit there) from 9 am to 5 pm or so.

But tonight, he let me rub his head, and not interested in the treats, these 2 behaviour is not normal. All 3 of my rabbit savvy specialists are at home. So I have to wait till 9 hr. from now to book an appt.

Monty is current shredding fur since about 2 weeks ago, so he didn't eat his own night-time sticky poos

If by 3 am there is no bunny poos, I will have to give some metacloprimide.

I'm familiar w/ large Flemish Giant, when they have Gi stasis, I can hear the sound of like pouring water from a kettle, but I never own a tiny Holland lop before, so I don't know the sound. But that little popping sound is not right.

Monty stays indoor, so it can't be anything else and his diet is good w/ lots of hays and some pellets.

Sounds like stasis. Also sounds like you know what you're doing to treat it.
So sending vibes for Monty that he feels better soon x
*chnats* Eat and Poo! Eat and Poo!

Sorry Monty is under the weather. Hope he has improved.

Poor Monty.

Have you got anything to disperse the gas bubbles in his tum. Do you have infacol over there? What does his tum feel like? Is it distended?

Maybe you could try a little syringe feed and make sure he's getting fluids.

Sending hugs to you and Monty,

Nicola and Harvey xxx

How's Monty now?

I agree with Nicola.

Also, is there no emergency vets you can go to? They're expensive but are worth it.

Sending lots of vibes.

I gave metacloprimide, there was no change. The emergency vet here is not expensive at all, but they are not expert in rabbits. I had an appt. earlier today w/ a rabbit savvy specialist.

We didn't use infacol, she ask me to go w/ Ovol instead, I don't know which brand is better.

Then she injected metacam, sub Q fluid and metocloprimide in Monty. At the time Monty left the clinic, he was eating a bit of hay. There is some bloat, she try to use the tube to get the gas out, (this vet is a new immigrant to Canada from UK by the name of Jill johnson) but Monty was struggling too much not to let her do it. But she judge that the situation is not bad enough to put him under to get the gas out.

Another unpleasant discovery is that Monty's heart murmur. I read a few rabbit ref. book on it, it's not commonly known for rabbit to have heart problem. There are treatment if needed.

Since 8 pm, the situation has gone much worse, Monty has bigger bloat, and the emergency vet has never get gas out of a rabbit before. So, the only way is to wait till 8 am to have the rabbit expert to get the gas out. If Monty can't hold on till 8 am, then he'll die. I can't believe this is happening.

I plan to drive down there by 7:45 am.

does anyone knows if infacol is better than Ovol?

I've just Googled Ovol and it looks to be the same stuff as Infacol - ie simethicone.

Really hope Monty pulls through.

Me too, I'm willing to trade 10 year of my life w/ Monty if he can get thru the next 5.5 hr.

Do you have any buscapan? omg Jason I'm so sorry, this is awfull?

What's his tummy like?

Monty has been given metacam, it's not the pain which is secondary, it's the bloat that stop all eating, drinking, and pass on the poos.

His symptoms is exactly like what it describes on Dr. Hancourt-Brown's book--that the left side is harder, and the right side is softer. But even when we took the x-ray, the vet said his stomach definitely has expanded.

What I am surprised is that since the meto and metcam did make a difference at 4 pm, and he did eat the hay, why would he make a U-turn just after 7 - 8 pm?

You can use buscapan for proper bloat it's not a pain relief it's for IBS.

Is there deffo no blockage there, is it gas?

Are you able to give him anymore ovol (if it's the same as infacol) to try and disperse the gas and gentle tummy massages? You can give infacol quite regularly but I don't know whether it's the same as Ovol.

I do hope he will be o.k.

I hope Jane will be along in a minute to give some more advice.

Positive vibes for Monty,

Nicola and Harvey xxx

SOAD said:

You can use buscapan for proper bloat it's not a pain relief it's for IBS.

Is there deffo no blockage there, is it gas?

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does it remove the gas? Because it's definitely gas. Hence, the expansion.

Like I just gave the 2nd serving of Ovol, the first one does absolutely nothing. They said it "provides fast, gentle relief of infant coli, bloating due to gas". But what does that mean? For products like Infacol or Ovol, does it destroy the gas or does it give comfort (as in pain killer) but without removing the gas?

I called 3 emergency night centre. 2 said that for services like this, only day time staff knows how to do it. The 3rd has not done it on rabbits but on dogs and cats, and this vet said is Monty having trouble breathing? And I told him his breathing is normal. so the decision is to wait till 7:45 am.

Yes it does, you really shouldn't use it unless it's serious, but if he's going to die then you've nothing to lose, I've not used it myself I know plenty of people that have and they swear it saved their rabbits, it's with full on bloat though, not statis.

PM Jaypot, I think she knows about it, you'll need to know dosage etc, this should not be used instead of going to a vet, but if you can't be seen, bloat is a fast killer. I lost Marley to it, he blew up like a football.

Nicola3 said:

Are you able to give him anymore ovol (if it's the same as infacol) to try and disperse the gas and gentle tummy massages?

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I done the Ovol, the vet said every 8 hr., I done the 2nd servings on the 7.05 hr. (55 min. to the 8th hr.), the instruction is for babies, which said don't exceed 1.5 ml every 24 hr., in which we have already exceeded that on the 1st feeding

Later on this night, I grab my big oil heater to Monty's room (the room's windows is sealed w/ Celfort 300, so no cold air can pass thru, it's like a room w/ no windows), and turn up the heat to keep him warmer, the rm. temp is about 24 deg. C.

I done the massage too, I like the massage because I don't want the gas to stay at one place

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bloat is a fast killer. I lost Marley to it, he blew up like a football.

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No kidding, Dr. Brown's book said it'll kill in 12 hr., and we have pass that 12 hr.

When you said football, do you really mean a size that big?

Because I'm not even remotely close to that. It's bigger than normal, but unless you feel it under the fur, you can't see the difference by visual inspection

I can't add anything more to the advice you've already been given, but just wanted to say I'm crossing my fingers for you and Monty.

If his stomach is distended ( you'll feel a hard round ball in the upper area of his abdomen, just below his ribcage) then I would *not* keep administering Ovol/Infacol. It wont help.

If his stomach is not emptying then the *only* thing to syringe into him is water, preferably warmed to body temperature.
What are his small intestines doing? Any gut sounds? Can you feel any 'currant poo' in the small intestines?

An anti GI ulcer Med may help ( Ranitidine/Cimetidine)
An opiate analgesic may be needed. Although it can slow down GI function if Monty is in a lot of pain the Metacam wont be enough. Also the opiate may help relax his guts

Poor Monty

Janex

Tree, Buscapan is a tablet drug and requires prescription. I don't know how Monty can eat a tablet in any case, although I have doctor's blank note that I can fill out as prescription.