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~bailey~
16-11-2007, 10:26 PM
Sorry if this is dumb :oops: I've always fed my buns Timothy hay, but I got them a bag of meadow hay from dust free hay to try. I found this in it and wondered what it was and if its ok for them to eat? Theres also a little thing which looks like a teeny pine cone thing in it :? you can see it in the photo. I'm used to hay looking very uniform, but this has lots of things in it :lol:
Also, they had their first lot of it yesterday and some more this morning. Their poos are quite dark today. Is this normal? Should I be introducing it more slowly? Thanks :)

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee72/blondie19012k/IMG_1224.jpg

abbymarysmokey
16-11-2007, 10:50 PM
I can't see your piccy very well on my cr*ppy monitor, but it looks a bit like Dock, which shouldn't be fed after it's gone to seed (as yours will have done).

Probably best to pick those bits out just in case.

Amy

~bailey~
16-11-2007, 11:00 PM
I can't see your piccy very well on my cr*ppy monitor, but it looks a bit like Dock, which shouldn't be fed after it's gone to seed (as yours will have done).

Probably best to pick those bits out just in case.

Amy

I've googled it and it does look like dock :( I have been picking them out, but does anyone know how poisonous it is? Like if I miss some, or some seeds are left which they eat? Has anyone else found this in their dust free hay?

abbymarysmokey
16-11-2007, 11:06 PM
Don't know how poisonous it is, sorry, hope somebody else can help :(

donnamt
16-11-2007, 11:06 PM
im amazed theyve sold summat poisonous..... maybe these are safe?? id send an email to the suppilers to see what they say about whats in thier hay... least youd know for definate then

abbymarysmokey
16-11-2007, 11:09 PM
Unfortunately hay is a natural product, and suppliers can't be expected to know every species of plant that goes into it.

It's probably just a bad batch from the corner of the field, or something like that, but I wouldn't buy any from the same supplier again.

Amy

donnamt
16-11-2007, 11:18 PM
i think id avoid them too...... i will check any future hay i have too against that pic :shock:

Gem
16-11-2007, 11:29 PM
My lot eat them and they're all fine.

donnamt
16-11-2007, 11:33 PM
My lot eat them and they're all fine.

ive never seen them... so they aint poisonous thatll be a relief to bailey then :)

~bailey~
16-11-2007, 11:53 PM
I'm worried now :( They've not even had that much of it and I've found two huge bits :? Think I might stick to the Timothy hay mainly. Shame, because they really loved the meadow hay, but I worry about them enough, without the possibility of their hay poisoning them :roll: :lol: Thanks for the replies everyone and thanks for another point of view Gem :D I might let them have small amounts of it at a time as you say yours are fine with it :)

janice
16-11-2007, 11:59 PM
I was always under the impression that Dock leaves were ok to feed to rabbits, if you google rabbits and dock leaves all the threads I have found indicate they can be fed to rabbits.

~bailey~
17-11-2007, 12:06 AM
I was always under the impression that Dock leaves were ok to feed to rabbits, if you google rabbits and dock leaves all the threads I have found indicate they can be fed to rabbits.

These aren't the leaves though. Its the tall flowery bit which comes up above the leaves and then produces seeds. The bits I have found look like seeded flowers on a stem and you're not supposed to feed dock after it seeds I don't think :)

donnamt
17-11-2007, 12:08 AM
*confused*

~bailey~
17-11-2007, 12:09 AM
*confused*

Why confused? :)

elve
17-11-2007, 09:24 AM
oh that's interesting :shock: never give dock seed heads - and the little round seed thing is buttercup seeds. I don't think you can feed dock leaves either - according to wikipedia it's slightly poisonous. There are 2 types of dock and one is poisonous and the other not so much, so it's best to just avoid feeding dock.

I was thinking of ordering from dust free hay as I'm sick of picking weeds out of my hay, and their website says 'there are no thistles, docks or ragwort in it' http://www.dustfreehay.co.uk/index.htm

So legally you are entitled to a replacement bag - I would phone them and explain as I'm sure they want to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again!

Also the poops do go black nearly, and much smaller with meadow hay.

donnamt
17-11-2007, 12:25 PM
Why confused? :)

well are they ok for buns or not... lolololol if i found em in my hay id have no idea whether to take them out or not

Julia123
17-11-2007, 12:38 PM
How do wild bunnies know whats ok to eat ???? :?

capel
17-11-2007, 01:12 PM
I'd phone Norman and tell him what you've found, and email him the piccy. He'll want to know about it. I've been using dust free hay for over a year now and have never had any problems with it. Mind you I've never really checked throught it before. I just get huge wodges of the stuff in put it in the hutch. I didn't know dock was poisonous.:shock: .mine eat it occassionally.

elve
17-11-2007, 01:14 PM
How do wild bunnies know whats ok to eat ???? :?

they don't live long :?

floozy
17-11-2007, 01:29 PM
I found a dead frog in a bag of meadow hay from my local pet store. I reported it to them and they have since told their suppliers but obviously there isn't a lot that can be done. I make sure i check it now and any long seeded stems i put in the recycling as my bunnies will eat anything!!

Bavarian Bunny
17-11-2007, 01:34 PM
Looks like dock seeds, but it's hard to tell on that photo. Are there any leaves on the stalks or is it just seeds? I think rabbits don't like dock, because it is too bitter, but that may be true for certain dock species only. Dock seeds can be poisonous to animals, the whole plant contains oxalate, like rhubarb. Oxalate can damage the kidneys, I think.

donnamt
17-11-2007, 01:41 PM
How do wild bunnies know whats ok to eat ???? :?

maybe if it makes them feel a bit off they dont try it again... theyre pretty smart aint they.... or do they let their bellys rule??

Maizy
17-11-2007, 01:54 PM
The business of docks can be confusing as it can be found listed as a useful plant and a dangerous one. In short, the young leaves can be used in Spring and are good after winter when there's not been a great supply of alternatives, but as soon as the seed stems appear, the leaves lose their food value ( and as a rule there are plenty of other food sources you can use at that time of year). The seed stems should always be avoided as Bav Bun states, they contain binoxalte of potash ( very bad )! If in doubt leave it all alone as there are 3 fairly common docks around. If you want to use one, use Sorrel Dock as these are the most beneficial.:D

Bavarian Bunny
17-11-2007, 01:55 PM
Dock may not be all that tasty for rabbits. I don't like the taste of it, although some people use it to make salad. Buttercups are also quite bitter and many animals avoid them.

Bavarian Bunny
17-11-2007, 01:56 PM
The business of docks can be confusing as it can be found listed as a useful plant and a dangerous one. In short, the young leaves can be used in Spring and are good after winter when there's not been a great supply of alternatives, but as soon as the seed stems appear, the leaves lose their food value ( and as a rule there are plenty of other food sources you can use at that time of year). The seed stems should always be avoided as Bav Bun states, they contain binoxalte of potash ( very bad )! If in doubt leave it all alone as there are 3 fairly common docks around. If you want to use one, use Sorrel Dock as these are the most beneficial.:D

Was that part of your last presentation? :D

Maizy
17-11-2007, 01:58 PM
Was that part of your last presentation? :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: No funnily enough! My last presentation was on plants that can cope in dry/sandy or gravel conditions, so definitely no docks, as they are rife in my very wet, soggy clay garden.:lol:

Bavarian Bunny
17-11-2007, 02:11 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: No funnily enough! My last presentation was on plants that can cope in dry/sandy or gravel conditions, so definitely no docks, as they are rife in my very wet, soggy clay garden.:lol:

Yeah, I guess docks prefer the edge of meadows, near trenches and rivers. My grandparents had a field where water was coming out from a hill, it was always a bit wet and there were loads of dock plants.

~bailey~
17-11-2007, 08:04 PM
Thanks for all the replies :wave: I will email Norman the photo to let him know about it. Sounds like a one-off seeing as no one else has found any. I will just stick to the Timothy hay for them from now on I think though, as they like that anyway :)

~bailey~
20-11-2007, 12:38 AM
Apparently the plant is common sorrell. So, does anyone know whether sorrell is ok for bunnies to eat? He also said that animals won't eat plants that are bad for them, although I would have to question this! I know they're not plants, but I'm pretty sure that wires, plastic bags and rubber zips aren't good for them, but Bailey has tried to eat all three! Two of which in the last few days :roll: :lol: So I'm still unsure of whether to feed more of the hay :( Seems such a waste just to throw it away though.

janice
20-11-2007, 08:44 AM
http://www.rabbitrehome.org.uk/bunnycampnews/Newsletter2_04_2004.asp If you look further down this page, you will see Sorrekk us is ok for buns to eat.

ecudc
20-11-2007, 09:26 AM
It's nice for humans to eat too, but not dried like that. Make a it's got a wierd but nice slightly bitter metalic taste a little like a very strong spinach & I think is also quite high in oxilates like spinach so fresh stuff shouldn't be fed everyday but the odd stalk in hay should be fine. We grow it at home and mix it with either butter or hollondais to go on salmon...yum.

racheld69
20-11-2007, 09:31 AM
It's nice for humans to eat too, but not dried like that. Make a it's got a wierd but nice slightly bitter metalic taste a little like a very strong spinach & I think is also quite high in oxilates like spinach so fresh stuff shouldn't be fed everyday but the odd stalk in hay should be fine. We grow it at home and mix it with either butter or hollondais to go on salmon...yum.


I have got an AMAZING sorrel soup recipe - but that is sorrel you grow - doubt it is the same as common sorrel before everyone rips their garden up! :D

Ben's mum
20-11-2007, 10:11 AM
He also said that animals won't eat plants that are bad for them

They certainly will! Most wild animals (certainly buns) breed prolifically so the odd rabbit eating something poisonous doesn't have much of an affect on the species as a whole. There have been plenty of members on here posting about buns eating harmful plants and there are lots of cases of cats getting poisoned by lily (I think that's the one that's harmful), and non-plant-related as you said, they'll chew on plenty of things that could injure or poison them!

Morrigan1981
20-11-2007, 10:37 AM
I've found a few of these in my dust free hay before too, but only Jen and Frankie don't eat it and it's therefore left in the rack at the end of the day! :rolleyes:

Sorrel is fine for bunnies: I've just finished reading a book about a family in rural France and they went out to pick Sorrel as a treat for their buns :D *wanders off to dream about living on a smallholding in rural anywhere*