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Sandra
03-11-2007, 01:02 AM
We took our bun to the vet today. She has had runny watery eyes for quite some time and today the vet xrayed her and checked her tear ducts etc. We left her at the vet this morning and picked her up just after 5 pm, she was then laying in her transport cage, not moving. The vet had given her some sedative and said that she was about to wake up. We took her home and we sat with her in our arms for a couple of hours, she seemed very groggy, trying to move at times but became very tired again. When she seemed to be more alert we gave her a couple of pellets and she drank some water. Around 9 pm she seemed fit enough to go down on the floor and she went under the bed and laid down. Around 11 pm she went to the cage for toilet - but she seemed uncomfortable - she was closing her eyes, and squeezed with her body... (not sure if anything came out of her...) We have tried to offer her all kinds of food the last couple of hours but she doesnt want any... not even her favorite stuff...:( And she doesnt seem to become more frisky... We had her spayed some months ago and when we picked her up after her surgery she was really frisky and started eating right away. Should we be worried or is this normal???:cry:

Mitsy Miggins and C Brown
03-11-2007, 01:07 AM
I'd phone the vet and ask them, just to be on the safe side. hope all goes ok:)

Tamsin
03-11-2007, 01:08 AM
I would phone your vet for advice. If they're not there then there should be an answerphone message telling you who to call.

Joob-joobs
03-11-2007, 01:10 AM
Can you call the vet to get some advice? I'm not sure what to advise but if your bun isn't acting normally I'd always go on the side of caution and call the vets.

Hope she is ok.

~bailey~
03-11-2007, 01:14 AM
If she isn't pooing or eating then she will need some gut stimulants to get her tummy moving again. Rabbits are supposed to graze continuously and it is a big problem if they stop eating. I would act on the safe side and take her to the vets. I hope she feels better soon :)

Sooz
03-11-2007, 01:56 AM
Im concerned by the fact that your vets let her go as she was 'about to wake up' :?

Was she not conscious when you collected her? How long had she been in recovery?

Sandra
03-11-2007, 06:27 AM
Im concerned by the fact that your vets let her go as she was 'about to wake up' :?

Was she not conscious when you collected her? How long had she been in recovery?

Thanks for all replies! I was really worried about that too and felt quite uncomfortable with it. But since everything went so well last time I was stupid enough to believe that it would be the same now... :shock: Right now we are waiting to go to the vet (middle of the night here...). I do not know why I wasnt more worried but I thought the exray and the examination would go fine since she is completely healthy besides the eyes and now my girl has stopped eating:cry:

Jack's-Jane
03-11-2007, 07:51 AM
I expect your Bun needed to be on a heat pad as sedation lowers their blood pressure and they can become hypothermic :cry:

I do hope that the Vet can administer the necessary treatment to aid your Buns recovery. That treatment may include heat therapy, IV fluids and a gut motility stimulant

Please do keep us updated

Janex

racheld69
03-11-2007, 09:09 AM
:wave: Hope she gets well soon!!:D

bunny babe
03-11-2007, 09:45 AM
How is she doing now? One of my rabbits never eats until the following morning if he has anaesthetic, even after tempting him with everything. Hope she is OK.

Sandra
03-11-2007, 04:20 PM
Thanks everyone:wave: We are doing better but still not good. I called the vet in the middle of the night because she wasnt eating and hadnt gone to the toilet, I picked her up and listen to her stomach which was completely silent. Then she pooped some very very loose poos. The vet (from another clinique then we went to yesterday) seemed not alerted at all, said she would be fine until morning when the vet opens - I insisted on this being a bad situation but decided in the end that I wasnt sure that this vet would do the right thing as she didnt seem to see the problem... We stayed up with her all night, giving her pinapple juice and water through syringe and went to the vet when they opened this morning. The vet listened to her stomach - no sound. We got Metaclopromide tablets (2 days), Bio-Lapis for rabbits and some Bactrim mixture. We took her home and have continued to give her water and special milk (thicker milk, good for stomach, dont know the name in English...) through syringe as she still doesnt want any food... It suddenly seemed like she was getting worse as she started grinding her teeth loudly (she has never done that before). I called the vet again and she said I could give her some Metacam. My bun then rested for about two hours, laying down flat, and suddently she came to us and wanted to go out on the balcony (which is her favorite place), she has been running around now and is cleaning herself. But the problem is that she still doesnt want to eat by herself - is there anything to do about this? And still no pooping or peeing...:cry:

Tara
03-11-2007, 05:12 PM
The metaclop will help to get het guts moving but you will to continue with syringe feeding her to get something into her stomach - you could try some critical care (or its equivilent). Just try syringe feeding her small quantities during the day. This should help to stimulate her appitite. If she still is not pooing within the next 10hrs then I'd give the vet another ring.

~bailey~
03-11-2007, 06:23 PM
You could try mushing up her pellets in some cooled boiled water to syringe feed. I'm not sure what the milk stuff is, but she will need fibre to keep her guts moving. You could add tiny bits of chopped up hay to mushed up pellets to get more fibre in her. I syringe fed every 2-3 hours, about 15-20ml at a time when Luuna was recovering from her dental. Did the vets say her teeth were ok? If they are hurting then she won't want to eat either. Hope she starts eating soon :)

Sandra
03-11-2007, 06:53 PM
Hey and thanks for your reply, its really good to have this forum.

Going to make her eat some mashed up pellets to see if that will get things going.

She was going in for a dental check yesterday but the doctor said her teeth where fine but her problem was that her roots where to long which caused her tear duct to be pressured and was the cause of her watery eyes all the time. But the vet said she was all good and there was nothing to do but to treat the occasional obstruction that would form in her tear duct but otherwise a healthy bun.

Its quite strange to watch her now, just an hour ago she seemed to be doing good (except for the eating/pooing part) half-binking on the balcony and now she is sitting in the bedroom in what seems to be an uncomfortable position she is not used to sit in.

Any more ideas are appreciated, we will keep you updated on our status...

Sooz
03-11-2007, 06:56 PM
What dose of Metacam has she had? The no.1 reason rabbits stop eating is down to pain.

Sandra
03-11-2007, 07:10 PM
What dose of Metacam has she had? The no.1 reason rabbits stop eating is down to pain.

:wave:
She got 0.1 ml little over five hours ago - when do you think I can give her again? And is 0.1 ml too little?

~bailey~
03-11-2007, 08:03 PM
Is her tummy bloated? You could try giving it a gentle rub (downwards towards the tail) and encouraging her to run around to get her guts moving. Did the vet inject any gut stimulant or painkiller? If her guts are slowed or not moving then she won't be able to absorb the medicine given via mouth. Is she tempted by any of her favourite foods yet?

ETA: I don't know about the metacam doses I'm afraid :(

Sandra
03-11-2007, 08:16 PM
Is her tummy bloated? You could try giving it a gentle rub (downwards towards the tail) and encouraging her to run around to get her guts moving. Did the vet inject any gut stimulant or painkiller? If her guts are slowed or not moving then she won't be able to absorb the medicine given via mouth. Is she tempted by any of her favourite foods yet?

ETA: I don't know about the metacam doses I'm afraid :(

The vet didnt inject anything today... and she still doesnt want to touch any food... And I am also confused over why she isnt peeing? Does that have anything to do with the stomache? Still no poo and no pee:cry: I just gave her more metacam, some critiqal care waterblend stuff and some good thick milk through syringe... Should I call the vet and see if she can give her something through injection/IV?

Thanks for caring everyone - would be completely lost without you:love:

XMissySJx
03-11-2007, 08:28 PM
have only just caught up on this have been away, so sorry about your bun, i hope she pulls through!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

~bailey~
03-11-2007, 08:35 PM
The vet didnt inject anything today... and she still doesnt want to touch any food... And I am also confused over why she isnt peeing? Does that have anything to do with the stomache? Still no poo and no pee:cry: I just gave her more metacam, some critiqal care waterblend stuff and some good thick milk through syringe... Should I call the vet and see if she can give her something through injection/IV?

Thanks for caring everyone - would be completely lost without you:love:

Is she getting quite a bit of liquid when you are syringe feeding her? I've been thinking about it, when Luuna was syringe fed she didn't wee or poo for quite a while, even though I was syringing water and liquid food. She might be absorbing a lot of it if she is dehydrated. They need water to keep the stomach contents moving too. How long is it now since she has eaten or pooed? How does she seem in herself? How long is it since she woke up from the sedative?

Sandra
03-11-2007, 09:42 PM
Is she getting quite a bit of liquid when you are syringe feeding her? I've been thinking about it, when Luuna was syringe fed she didn't wee or poo for quite a while, even though I was syringing water and liquid food. She might be absorbing a lot of it if she is dehydrated. They need water to keep the stomach contents moving too. How long is it now since she has eaten or pooed? How does she seem in herself? How long is it since she woke up from the sedative?

We picked her up from the vets just after 5 pm yesterday and then she was waking up. She ate some pellets (like 10 pellets) that we fed her last night, before 8 pm and she drank some water. After that she has not been eating or drinking by herself. She had some wet poo stuck in her furr that we noticed around 5 am this morning, nothing coming out after that. She seems slightly irritated which is understandable after us picking her up and feeding her strange things... She is either sitting up or laying down. Not interested in walking around, just wants to be still. I picked her up and massaged her stomach but I cant hear it make any sounds:( We gave her some meds and water an hour ago and I managed to get maybe 8-10 ml of fluid in her - is that enough for now? Once again thanks!

~bailey~
03-11-2007, 10:07 PM
We picked her up from the vets just after 5 pm yesterday and then she was waking up. She ate some pellets (like 10 pellets) that we fed her last night, before 8 pm and she drank some water. After that she has not been eating or drinking by herself. She had some wet poo stuck in her furr that we noticed around 5 am this morning, nothing coming out after that. She seems slightly irritated which is understandable after us picking her up and feeding her strange things... She is either sitting up or laying down. Not interested in walking around, just wants to be still. I picked her up and massaged her stomach but I cant hear it make any sounds:( We gave her some meds and water an hour ago and I managed to get maybe 8-10 ml of fluid in her - is that enough for now? Once again thanks!

The more fluid you can get her to drink, the better. Same goes for any food you can get her to eat. I would have thought that the sedative would have worn off by now, so she should be a bit more active. Its so hard to judge when I can't see how she is behaving, but if she doesn't eat soon then its probably a good idea to take her back to the vets for some injected gut stimulant and painkillers, just incase, and to see if there is any other reason that she doesn't want to eat. If she is dehydrated then they might also give subcutaneous fluids (under the skin, forming a bubble of fluid which is absorbed slowly). How good is your vet with bunnies usually? He should be able to feel whether her gut is moving just from feeling it. Any poo or wee which she passes is good, because it means her gut is still moving. I really hope she eats something soon :(

Sooz
04-11-2007, 02:49 AM
For an average sized bunny (2-2.5kg) I think you need to get a minimum of 50mls liquid in per day (there is a formula to work it out but I cant remember it-sorry). The more the better though.

How big is she? 0.1ml Metacam is quite low, I normally administer around 0.2-0.3ml though I offer more if they seem to need it. I ususally give it every 4 hours until they start to eat again.

If she has stopped toileting she may benefit from injectable pain relief instead as there is a good chance she is unable to effectively absorb the meds.

Sandra
04-11-2007, 01:29 PM
She started eating a little bit last night:D She was in her cage and she started eating a straw of hay (we were beyond happy about that little straw). But then she stopped eating again so we took out some dried herbs/grass and luckily she found one sort that she actually wanted. She ate a bit and then went back to resting. A little later she ate a piece of banana, some fresh parsil and during the night she ate some pellets. She has also been drinking from the water bottle, not much though. We still havent seen any poo or pee. We just let her out on the balcony for a run to see if that will get the gut moving.

She weighs little over 4 kg (she is a Rex) so I understand that 0.1 ml of Metacam is very low - the last two times I have given her Metacam I gave her 0.2 ml. I am going to the store now to by all green stuff they have that is rabbit-proof... We havent found one vet here in Iceland who is specialized in rabbits or has extensive knowledge of rabbits... Which is a major problem.

~bailey~
04-11-2007, 01:36 PM
I'm so glad shes started eating :D Just keep tempting her, now shes eating the poos should come! They'll probably be tiny and mis-shapen to begin with and might take a while to get back to normal. Hope she keeps improving :wave:

Sandra
04-11-2007, 09:44 PM
We are still working on her, everything green goes down if you leave it with her and she can take her time dealing with it but no bananas (which usually makes her go crasy) and no pellets of any sort.

We had her confided because our other bunny chases her around if he sees her, all the meds and the vet smell probably still on her. We took him out in the living room and now she is exploring the bedroom.

Hopefully we will have some pee and poop soon (never been cheering so much for someone to go to the toilet before...)

We will keep you posted.

Sandra
04-11-2007, 11:58 PM
She is pooping and peeing:D We are beyond happy! And she is back to her frisky self again:bunny: The problem now is that her bonded friend Roger is being all territorial and has started to attack her, ripping of fur from her... They were seperated Friday when she was at the vets and then we put her in a cage in our bedroom (where we have the bunnies at night) and he was in the room yesterday and today. After she started pooing and eating we let them meet again and then he started attacking her:cry: What should we do?

TheGaffer
05-11-2007, 12:53 AM
I've only just read this. Glad she's feeling better :D

If they've been seperated for a period of time you may need to re-bond them. Can you try putting them somewhere thats neutral for a few days? then clean out all their normal communal living areas with white vinigar to de-scent it.

Sooz
05-11-2007, 02:18 AM
I would let her recover for a while before rebonding due to the stress it will induce on top of her op.